Response to Kenneth Gee Jan, 10, 2018
Well if you listened to the actual arguments you would know that an event like the resurrection of Jesus is not breaking nature laws, but is an entirely new event.
Vj ~ If you have to come to his defense it would mean that you do understand the functions of these laws. New or old no event can breach natural laws. The laws are immutable, they are the same from the beginning of creation to end of creation. These laws are here to guide us that we may know what is false and what is true. Did you peruse the link I gave? That is what a sensible person would first do, before responding.

I think a rational person would simply state the knowledge they have . So the natural laws are immutable, which is exactly like the immutable characteristic of God. Dr Lennox is not claiming that miracles are violating the nature laws, but are new events. These new events can be defined differently, such that they can interact with the other natural laws and still not violate them. Take the virgin birth. God planted Jesus in the womb of Mary. The natural laws of a woman being pregnant were not broken. The new event was the manner in which Mary got pregnant. You need more to your argument that I should click on a link to convince me that Dr. Lennox with his various PhD's is an idiot.
Vj ~ Never mind resurrection and virgin birth, even talking snakes and donkeys are breaches to natural laws. But, if you comfortable being an idiot, it's ok with me as I have come to know there is no cure for a fool. Worship of a false god is sinful and it is bad for the soul, but it is not for creation for without evil there will be no vegetation, sub-human conditions and creatures of land, sea, and air (reincarnation) and that is where you and all those who follow John Lennox will end up. The virus you are trying to avoid is already playing out in your life as a Christian. So good luck to you.

What do you mean by ignoring the resurrection as that is the topic of this video. What do you mean by talking? I know that animals do have sounds and they use those sounds to relay information to others like them. I would call that talking. Just because we do not understand it from a human perspective means nothing. What do you mean by a false god? what is all this reincarnation business? We believe in a resurrection which is the standing up again from the dead. This is not raised in a different life. I do not see that anything you have said has shown you actually understanding anything from the Bible. I do not think that anything you have said I could conclude what it is you actually believe in.
Vj ~ Whatever theory theological or scientific one puts forward must be in harmony with reasoning and science and must conform to natural laws. The Bible is completely irrational, unscientific and all miraculous events breach natural laws. Christians, just as those of other dogmas, are ignorant of these laws and it is the reason they don't know their religion is false. "We see the universe marvelously arranged and obeying certain laws but only dimly understand these laws." Albert Einstein. Scholars of theology, except us, have no understanding at all, and for those of science, it is dim."

Response to ric david
Thus says a man who comes from a long line of people who believe that their soul is immortal but will be reincarnated into a lesser or greater being ad infinitum depending on the merits they gain in the particular incarnation and have superstitious beliefs about their hair . These do appear to be very primitive and fear based practices not based on reason and of course have no basis in any observable facts. Why should we take any notice of what you say or think.
Vj ~ "Philosophy and reason will remain the most beautiful sanctuary they have always been for the select few." Einstein. These long lines of people are now a select few - progression downwards is a law - and we do not believe, as in beliefs there are doubts, we KNOW. It simply means whatever we know, is in harmony with reason, science and confirms to natural laws. "We see the universe marvelously arranged and obeying certain laws but only dimly understand these laws." Albert Einstein You don't have to take notice sir, of what I say or think because it requires desire and the full understanding of natural laws and like most people who know of neither, what have I got to lose?

Calling a highly respected professor at Oxford university an "idiot" means of course that you can back that statement up by telling us your qualifications for making that judgment. You are a professor of what and where? Your new age gibberish cobbled together with sound bytes from dead people doesnt do it for me. You have no original thoughts of your own. In my book the instant someone uses derogatory words to describe another I know I usually dealing with a failure. How is it working out for you in your life?
Vj ~ I do not have a degree of any kind, but it is not my fault, for I couldn't find an educational institution anywhere in the world that gives one for wisdom. "We see the universe marvelously arranged and obeying certain laws but only dimly understand these laws." Einstein. And that is understanding of most scientists, whereas the theologians like your professors have no understanding whatsoever. With the wise, the laws are fully understood and so yes, when it comes to the truth of the matter, nature and the Universe, which you termed "new age gibberish", your "respected professor" is an idiot, so are you for coming to his defense. - Here are my qualifications if you're interested.

" As a man thinks so he is" You do yourself an injustice. Regardless of my own thoughts about this man you called this man an idiot twice. He has debated some of the most influential and brilliant men on both sides of the debate over the years and i doubt one of them would publicly call him an idiot because he is quite blatantly not one, anyone with eyes and ears can see that. Your are obviously blind and deaf and for that i pity you. You will forgive me but i wont look at your web site i have better things to do with my time.
Vj ~ "anyone with eyes and ears can see that", well there is your problem - without reasoning you're both blind and deaf.
"The greatest torture in the world for most people is to think." Luther Burbank
"He has debated some of the most influential and brilliant men on both sides of the debate" - yes one side is lame and another blind.
"Science without religion is lame and religion without science is blind." Einstein
"wont look at your web site i have better things to do with my time" - really! What have I got to lose if you chose to remain an idiot surrounded by professional idiots? Truth is poison for the ignorant, it is the reason you won't go there.

Kenneth Gee: Don't waste anymore valuable time on this person it is a very special day and we should be in awe of what occurred this day over 2000 years ago .
Vj ~ You have wasted your whole life on what never happened! If he was alive three days after, it simply meant he didn't die. Resurrection of the dead is a breach to the immutable laws of nature.

Idiot seems to be a recurring feature of your thinking, regardless of what you do or do not believe. If you have never seen a life destroyed by sin and transformed by the Gospel I suggest you make it your lifes ambition because if your profile picture is real you are not a young man and time is not on your side. I am not going to reply any more as i am off to see St Johns passion by Bach in a few minutes it was performed for the first time on Good Friday nearly 300 years ago by Bach, but then again i suspect you think Bach is an idiot too.
Vj ~ I know it is crude, but the elevation of the human soul is a very serious matter. The Gospel is a big lie, how can it transform a sinner? And as for time, I now have more than I bargained for, but you won't know because the Gospel has trained you to ignore everything else, with the promise of salvation even if you are n a idiot.
"Let him say what is good for another even though it may offend." Swami Dayanand

Well Dr Lennox certainly has reason and logic. I have used reason and logic, so I do not think either of us is blind and deaf. Your quote mining is an appeal to authority so Luther Burbank and Einstein do not help your case without reasoning of your own.
Vj ~ This is my reasoning Sir, snakes, and donkeys talking, flat earth and sun moving, angels and Satan, and 6000-year-old theory, the resurrection of the dead and virgin birth are all erroneous and is not what I call logic and reason Yes, they are not the same, the laws of the land can change, but natural laws are immutable. They are not the same but the principle is the same. No one, even the supernatural, is above the law. Natural laws brought the universe into being and it is the very law that will bring it to an end, at a specific time. It is the same law that also validates revelation, so if you don't understand the functions of these laws you are not an authority on logic and reason. You cannot taste one apple from the whole tree and declare it to be the sweetest. So I ask what do you know of my source of knowledge?

"It reminds me that Jesus also died and rose for me."
Vj ~ Yes, he also rose for all those Catholic priests who sexually molested all those young innocent boys. It is a license to commit atrocities of all nature and still get to heaven.

"You are incorrect about flat Earth."
Vj ~ Why were so many Greek philosophers persecuted then by Christians for saying the earth was round?

"God can work in, through, and around natural laws."
Vj ~ No He can't, He is All-perfect and it is best demonstrated when He is not above the law. It is like calling you good man, knowing you are cheating on your wife ?

"I have seen the terrible design of of your web page."
Vj ~ The same with truth, it is poison to idiots.

"Do you actually know what I believe and why?"
Vj ~ "The less you know the more you believe." Bono, so why would I want to know why?

"what is your defense?"
Vj ~ "Without reasoning man can never discover God." Thomas Paine
Atheists who lay constructive criticism to the Bible are people of logic and reason. Do you really believe, as Christopher Hitchens said, God, made the sun stood still so that Joshua can have more daylight to finish is battle?

"You calling all Christians an idiot is even worse."
Vj ~ I'm accusing anyone falsely here, I still maintain, if Christians don't what their God was doing before this creation, they are all idiots.

" Whether or not a human chooses to listen to angels and demons is yet another topic and one you are not ready for.."
Vj ~ I'm always ready for any kind of stupidity, even the worst kind, existence of angels and devils.

"There are zero Greek philosophers that were persecuted by Christians for saying anything. "
Vj ~ He was tried for challenging the widely held belief that the Sun traveled around the Earth. - Galileo

"What you quoted from Thomas Paine is true, so to conclude man must use reason to find God."
Vj ~ This is what he meant by reasoning - "Revelation is a communication of something, which the person to whom the thing is revealed did not know before. For if I have done a thing, or seen it done, it needs no revelation to tell me, I have done or seen it done nor enable me to tell it or write it. Revelation, therefore, cannot be applied to anything done upon earth, of which man is himself actor or witness and consequently all the historical part of the bible which is almost the whole of it, is not within the meaning and compass of the word revelation and therefore is not the word of god." Thomas Paine

"Anything coming out of that man's mouth is poisonous."
Vj ~ Keep in mind, everything calculated to advance the dissemination of truth is like poison, to begin with. Truth (critical thinking) offends the ignorant.

"To answer the question yes I believe that God actually stopped the Earth from rotating."
Vj ~ You are an idiot "He made the sun stood still" meant It the sun was moving and not earth. And stupid if the planet stops its rotation, there will be no gravity and everything on earth would be floating out into space.

I asked you a question dumbass, If your God is without beginning, what was he doing before this creation?

"Peter Hitchens his brother actually believes in God."
Vj ~ Nothing new, just another idiot! "Question with boldness even the existence of a God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason, than that of blindfolded fear." Thomas Jefferson. This was Christopher Hitchens, far ahead of any Christian idiots I know.
Typical of an idiot, I see you deliberately failed to respond to Thomas Paine who you agreed is a rational man.

What you quoted from Thomas Paine is true, so to conclude man must use reason to find God."
Vj ~ This is what he meant by reasoning - "Revelation is a communication of something, which the person to whom the thing is revealed did not know before. For if I have done a thing, or seen it done, it needs no revelation to tell me, I have done or seen it done nor enable me to tell it or write it. Revelation, therefore, cannot be applied to anything done upon earth, of which man is himself actor or witness and consequently all the historical part of the bible which is almost the whole of it, is not within the meaning and compass of the word revelation and therefore is not the word of god." Thomas Paine

"I provided you a link, but you did not bother to read it."
Vj ~ I did read it and here is my answer - "Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind." Albert Einstein. He was referring to the religion of the Vedas as the source of ethics, morals and all sciences.
"We owe a lot to Indians, who taught us how to count, without which no worthwhile scientific discovery could have been made." Albert Einstein

"I do not see that knowing what God did before creation would help you towards salvation."
Vj ~ First you have to know if it is truly a god. He is supposed to be Omniscient, all-knowing, knowing all three periods of time, past, present, and future and if he cannot enlighten Christians to what he was doing before this creation, he is definitely not god.

"Christopher Hitchens and you clearly don't understand Jefferson."
Vj ~ Really? "I have examined all the known superstitions of the word, and I do not find in our particular superstition of Christianity one redeeming feature. They are all alike founded on fables and mythology. Millions of innocent men, women, and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burnt, tortured, fined and imprisoned. What has been the effect of this coercion? To make one half the world fools and the other half hypocrites; to support roguery and error all over the earth." Thomas Jefferson

"No we owe everything to God has God created counting by numbering the days of creation."
Vj ~ If that's the case, how come Hinduism is the oldest religion in the world and not Christianity or Judaism.

"than even Christopher Hitchens. You call Dr Lennox an idiot "
Vj ~ It is better to be an atheist (Hitchens) than a hypocrite (Lennox).

"You really need to stop and listen to God."
Vj ~ I can't listen to a god who doesn't know what he was doing before this creation.

No, it is not through cruelty that Christ found me, but through love."
Vj ~ Love my ass, he was nailed to the cross, such cruelty paid for your sins?

"Your site is a joke. I have seen it. A high schooler could do a better job."
Vj ~ That's all you've got, probably too stupid to contradict anything written there.

"God could reveal what He was doing before creation but our minds could not comprehend it."
Vj ~ Of course, how can a mind of a fool ever comprehend anything sensible? A god who caters to fools is foolish himself.

"neither Christopher Hitchens nor you understand what Jefferson was trying to say."
Vj ~ It is very clear what he said, those who preach the Bible are hypocrites and those like yourself who believe it are fools.

"You have not examined all religions and are a liar"
Vj ~ If you weren't so busy looking, as fools do, at the "poor design" instead of the truth presented you would have no reason to call me a liar.

"The fact you proclaim to be wise and yet are so foolish"
Vj ~ If I'm foolish it would mean you are wise and if you're not how would you know if I'm wise or not.

"Hinduism is not the oldest religion."
Vj ~ Tell that to authors of Encylopedia Brittanica and Wikipedia, etc. You are the only idiot who doesn't know it.

"You are a wicked and evil person."
Vj ~ Are sure about that? Your God fucked Mary, Cain murdered his brother, Abraham fucked his housemaid, Lot fucked his daughters, Moses murdered, Noah danced naked, David and Solomon, with so many concubines, never stopped fucking, Christian priests are daily fucking little boys and you're calling me evil and wicked. The virgin birth theory is a breach to natural laws, meaning Mary was a whore and Jesus was a bastard.

"He has chosen not to reveal that part to humans."
Vj ~ How do you know that? Who blames God for his ignorance, but a fool?

"They would make a better site and provide better argumentation than you."
Vj ~ Says who? One who believes snakes and donkeys can talk.

"You still have not proven with any sort of reason, logic or evidence why a miracle has to be impossible."
Vj ~ Hey Jackass, you have to be able to understand the true functions of the immutable laws of nature and when you do you will know miracles of such massive proportion in the Bible, never ever occurred.

"God has chosen to reveal to us that which need to know"
Vj ~ And he didn't think there a few intelligent minds (myself, Hitchens, Paine, Jefferson, Dawkins, Harris, Meher, etc.) who would like to know what he was doing before this creation

"I do not blame God for my ignorance."
Vj ~ How can you when he himself is blatantly ignorant? A god who loves fools has to be a fool himself.

"Your use of ad hominem.....God who created you"
Vj ~ It is your god who created me shouldn't he be blamed for it, moron.

"Wow you are saying that you are smarter than God"
Vj ~ I'm smarter than your god, who can't answer my question of what he was doing before this creation.

"I am trying to show you that Jesus provided a better way."
Vj ~ And I'm trying to tell you that he was born a bastard and his mother Mary was a whore.

"You are a spiteful and hateful person, and this is what you call good?"
Vj ~ No sir it "is not what you call good", it is more than that, wise! Like I said, truth is poison to fool s which would mean a wise man would be seen as "a spiteful and hateful person".

"very key points from the Bible"
Vj ~ The key point sir, is about what your god was doing before this creation. You said he knows, but chose not to tell, which would mean he wants you to remain stupid. But I know God is impartial and merciful and it is not within His nature to deprive any human being of the truth. Therefore, the Bible was concocted by evil men for the purpose of robbing the stupid (Christians). Can't you see the luxury of the Vatican and evangelists living in a multi-million-dollar mansion, flying lair jets, driving Rolls Royce, booking $25,000 a night luxury suite on stopovers, etc? Your stupidity only leads you to think of heaven that doesn't exist and you call it logic and reason.

"You are simply attacking the Christian faith"-
Vj ~ Logic and reason tell me that a faith that can be "simply attacked" is weak and completely false. It is not my faith that says so, we haven't even come to that yet, it is only logic and reason so far.

"You have provided nothing that would show me why I should be an atheist."
Vj ~ I haven't because I know there is no cure for stupidity as prevalent as it is in Christianity. You are so brainwashed in a false dogma, that you couldn't respond to anything written on my site, except for its "poor design".

"You have not acted in any manner that would be gracious."
Vj ~ That's like being "gracious: to stupidity! This is my motto, "Let him say what is good even though it may offend."

" You have not shown knowledge, reason or logic."
Vj ~ In the state of stupidity you are asking me to do what even God can't do - cure a fool.I have shown you the laws of nature which are immutable where the All-perfection of a Supernatural is well demonstrated by it. You dismissed it because to a fool God can do anything even acting in a stupid manner, just to please a fool.

"Is that what you call being a good atheist or even a good person?"
Vj ~ This shows how stupid you are! I'm not an atheist, but I was 38 years ago. I even wrote a book which is on my site, titled - Atheism: the path to God. Just as Thomas Paine said, without reasoning man can never discover God.

"I see that you do not want to change.">
Vj ~ "Only the wisest and the stupidest of men never change." Confucius. This means neither you (stupid) nor I (wise) will change.

"Why are you here trying to "shame" others into changing?"
Vj ~ If you are shamed, it is because of the weakness of your religion, which cannot stand up to logic and reason. The universe is 6,000 years old, the earth is flat, the sun is moving, "man is appointed to die once", but many were brought back to life, virgin birth, god drown the whole world because he screwed up, and so much more bullshit.

"Our human brains would not be able to handle that much information."
Vj ~ If you are not smart enough "to handle that much information" how come you know what the wise can and cannot do? I don't see why you're mad at me for saying you are stupid, when you yourself are admitting your brain isn't able to handle highly sensitive information.

"We were not created to know everything."
Vj ~ Well, that's what I call stupid, one who doesn't know everything while claiming to know who is wise.

"so you think you know God when you deny His existence."
Vj ~ I deny the existence of all false gods. If you weren't that stupid only looking at my site's poor design, you would have noticed its title - In search of the one true religion

"The Bible clearly says that God is not impartial."
Vj ~ A god that is for one particular time (6,000 years ago), place (Middle-east) and people (Caucasian) is prejudice.

"I can show you many counter examples of people that serve God and do not become rich nor live in luxury. You have used logic fallacies again."
Vj ~ And what about the poor billions, including you, who are suckered into giving to those living in luxury, with the false promise of salvation?

Where did the natural laws come from?
Vj ~ The laws are eternal, as Creator is, they weren't created. Anyone with only a dim understanding of these laws can never accept such a book as the Bible, as a revelation from God. "We see the universe marvelously arranged and obeying certain laws but only dimly understand these laws." Albert Einstein

" I am sorry that your heart is in such a bad state"-
Vj ~ Kenneth Gee you are a dumb ass! The wisdom of the wise is measured by the intellect and not the heart and if you were using it, you would have known by now that I'm not an atheist.

"Intellect is measured in IQ and in knowledge."-
Vj ~ Belief in miracles is one void of good reasoning, it still leaves you a stupid ass.

"Wisdom is the ability to apply the truth correctly."
Vj ~ How would you know that when your god has zero confidence in your ability to comprehend what he was doing before this creation?

"and still call yourself knowledge and wise"-
Vj ~ Fools speak without thinking! What do you know of my knowledge and wisdom when you refuse to peruse my work? "The wise speaks because he has something to say and a fool because he has to say something." Plato

"The wise man would read that and figure out that with this"
Vj ~ No wise man would question it. Truth is for all and not only for those from 2000 years ago. Besides to declare he is the truth then, it would mean your god is changing the rules in the middle of the game (of creation). Man is fallible and yet we do not change the rules during any of the games we play.

"The beginning of all wisdom starts with the fear of the Lord."
Vj ~ How come you're not wise yet? A wise man is fearless. If a fool can get to heaven by forgiveness, why bother about knowledge or wisdom?

"Reason is used to find God from the revealed words of God in the Bible."
Vj ~ Reason is used to find God through the oldest (first) religion in the world. Meaning God is All-perfect and the first revelation best demonstrates that quality. It also says whatever a man sows that will he reap, so just count how many pigs, besides the others, you have eaten in your lifetime and that is how many times you will be slaughtered for sausages in your next lives to come. (eternal Law of karma).

"I provided you with definitions,"
Vj ~ And here is my definition - all theories or facts, theological and/or scientific, must be in harmony with reasoning and science, and most importantly, in conformity with the immutable laws of nature.
Note stupid! Immutable means unchangeable, for if God can, it would mean He is not All-perfect!
"We see the universe marvelously arranged and obeying certain laws but only dimly understand these laws." Albert Einstein
Scholars of theology, except the Aryas, have no understanding at all and for those of science, it is dim.

I can see that you have not provided any evidence for your position being true"
Vj ~ And what evidence you have for resurrection of the dead and virgin birth when the ignorant authors of the Bible taught the sun is moving and earth is flat and have no understanding of natural laws functions? My evidence is completely useless to the feeble state of mind.

"Truth of Jesus is for everyone." -
Vj ~ Really! What about those before Jesus and those (Mayans, Aztecs, Africans, Maoris, et., in remote regions of the world who never heard of Christ? Did "Truth of Jesus", cover everyone, jackass?

"Without knowledge, you cannot have wisdom as there is nothing to apply."-
Vj ~ Why Christians need knowledge or wisdom when a thief, on the cross, got to heaven without it? Different rules for different time is definitely not the trait of an All perfect or an All-wise God.

"Since you proclaim yourself to be wise then why do you reject God"
Vj ~The wise reject all false gods and when you are being diagnosed as a fool, it means your god is false. The problem you have is a very serious one, for God (one true) has no cure for a fool. If he could, there would be no souls left to be reincarnated (law of karma) into vegetation and the animal kingdom. My God was around for almost 2 billion years now.

You really need to read the Bible "
Vj ~ Did the thief or Christ read the Bible, moron? Different rules for different people at different time and place is changing the rules in the middle of the game. It is not the trait of an All-perfect and All-powerful God.

PS
I'm not trying to cure you, I'm doing this for my own benefit as the more I spend true knowledge the more it grows or the wiser I become. ~

"You do not get to make up your own definitions."
Vj ~ What an idiot! Am I the one invented reasoning, science and the laws of nature. 1. Reasoning - "Without reasoning man can never discover God." Thomas Paine
2. Science - "We owe a lot to Indians, who taught us how to count, without which no worthwhile scientific discovery could have been made." Albert Einstein
3. Natural laws - "The natural laws of science have not only been worked out theoretically but have been proven also in practice. I cannot then believe in this concept of an anthropomorphic God who has the powers of interfering with these laws." Albert Einstein
You have to be an idiot to consider these two gentlemen and myself ignorant.

"The laws of nature did not even exist prior to the creation of the universe."
Vj ~ How the fuck would you know that, when your religion is only 2000 years old, your universe is 6000 years and you have no fucking idea what your god was doing before that?

You wrote, "Scholars of theology, except the Aryas, have no understanding at all and for those of science, it is dim." So now you bring the first argument for your belief and what is true, but you do not show why it is true.
Vj ~ Very true, because "why" requires a functional intellect and since yours is in the feeble state or static everything I say is useless which means you are already cocksure of what you believe in.
"The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt." Bertrand Russell.
It is better to be an atheist (intelligent) than a hypocrite (stupid).

"You are saying that only one race of people have the truth, so you are being racist."
Vj ~ Your god's son was a white man and you're calling me racist? When the truth was revealed there were no other races on earth but us, the Aryans and from us evolved all the other races.
"India is the cradle of the human race, the birthplace; human speech, the mother of history, grandmother of legend, and great grandmother of tradition. Our most valuable and most instructive materials in the history of man are treasured up in India only." Mark Twain

"This is not wise nor is it knowledge."-
Vj ~ The Vedic religion was not and is not like other present-day religions, nor is it exclusive and confined to the inhabitants of India. It is universal and does not derive its authority from any single person, no matter how holy or wise. It humbly maintains that truth was complementary and not exclusive and contradictory and as such, it commands allegiance to all ages. This true religion of the Vedas never feared the advancement of science, nor was it guilty of terrors of the Inquisition. It never shed the blood of a Galileo, a Copernicus or a Bruno.

"You said the Bible taught the sun was moving around the Earth, which is just plain wrong." -
Vj ~ Am I, idiot? Joshua 10:12: Then Joshua spoke to the LORD in the day when the LORD delivered up the Amorites before the children of Israel, and he said in the sight of Israel:
�Sun, stand still over Gibeon; And Moon, in the Valley of Aijalon.�
Joshua 13: So the sun stood still, ........

"You said the Bible teaches that the Earth is flat, which is just plain wrong."->
Vj ~ Come on dumbass, you know centuries ago many Greek philosophers were persecuted for saying the earth was round and the sun wasn't moving, due to the fact it had to be flat for Jesus to the view all the kingdoms of the world.

"The thief knew that he was saved when Jesus told Him that all is forgiven and today that he would join Jesus in Heaven.
Vj ~ So why is it necessary to read the Bible when none of three read it? Why not just tell people to repent in the end and that's it! It doesn't matter if you're stupid, a thief, person or wise person.

The second thief is now in Hell."
Vj ~ What about judgement day? Isn't then when your god decides who goes to hell or heaven?

"I will not pursue the work of a deranged fool."
Vj ~ Exactly why the Jews had Jesus crucified. Well, I have bad news for you. If you don't, how would you know you are not the "deranged fool"? Is it sensible to taste one apple of the tree and declare it to be the sweetest? Then again this confirms my point when I say my God has no cure for a fool.

"There were not two sets of rules. The same laws that covered the Old Testament are still in effect."
Vj ~ An "eye for an eye" before, now changed to "turning the other cheek", are two sets of rules, idiot.

"Just know that every choice and action has consequences. "
Vj ~ You're right, but for you, the "choice and action" of not doing an honest inquiry into other faiths, do have serious consequences. I know, because I have done exactly that all my life.

"then you are saying you are God."
Vj ~ I'm not God, but very close. He is TRUTH and I know the truth, He is conscious of the three periods of time (past, present and future) and I am too, and lastly He is All-bliss and my present state is perpetual happiness (contentment).

"Paine also believed in the rational man which means man has reason and thus we can find God"
Vj ~ This is how you apply reasoning dumbass!

"Revelation is a communication of something, which the person to whom the thing is revealed did not know before. For if I have done a thing, or seen it done, it needs no revelation to tell me, I have done or seen it done nor enable me to tell it or write it. Revelation, therefore, cannot be applied to anything done upon earth, of which man is himself actor or witness and consequently all the historical part of the bible which is almost the whole of it, is not within the meaning and compass of the word revelation and therefore is not the word of god." Thomas Paine

"I am confirmed that you have no evidence or you would have presented by now."
Vj ~ Since honest inquiry (vjsingh.info) is painful to a fool's brain, let me explain what is evidence - evidence is when you know you're wise. There is no short cut to wisdom which means a fool cannot become wise overnight with evidence. I'm simply here to show you the way.

In studying the systems of philosophy, it is necessary that the mind adopt a discipline of impartiality and sobriety. It must then be raised to an exalted mental condition through the process of reasoning. This intellectual function is required for the comprehension of recondite and invisible truths of matter and nature.

After I was shown the way, it took me twenty years of strenuous effort and study of all religions to achieve my present state. So it is not God, that comes first, but matter and nature."You think that all truth must extend from one race the Indians,"
Vj ~ It is a fact! A white man can never become black and black man can never become white, only a brown man (Indians) can be either. Ancient Europeans were brown skin Everywhere in the world from South America to Lithuania to Australia, science is gradually connecting ancient civilization to the Indians through language and culture.

"but you take from western civilization at a moment's notice."
Vj ~ Yes I do, because they are an impartial few. It simply means if they can, anyone else can if they put aside self-interest for noble actions.

"Christianity has not persecuted anyone either"
Vj ~ This is danger of false dogmas, you are free to lie, knowing whatever you say or do, your sins have already been taken care of. Are you denying the heinous atrocities of murder and slavery against the indigenous under the Christian Colonials, dumbass?

"You still insist that Vedic tradition is the truth but will not show why."
Vj ~ Truth cannot be spoon-fed, just as you wish there was a short cut to wisdom, you have to make the necessary effort. Salvation is the same, it is not a free gift. Of course, if you are born and trained to be mentally lazy you would want it to be free.

"Never does the Bible say that."
Vj ~ You're still a stubborn jackass in denial!

"The thief that cried out to Jesus had the Bible living and dying on the cross next to him."
Vj ~ Was it a hard cover?

"I can tell you that just from speaking with you that you are a deranged fool."
Vj ~ You're correct! To begin with, truth is poison to the ignorant and whoever is disseminating has to be loco!

"Believes in natural laws and vedic tradition as compatible."
Vj ~It is compatible, there is no raising of the dead or virgin birth in the Vedic tradition.

"The christian worldview is the truth because Jesus is the Truth."
Vj ~ The Jews and the Muslims say the same, if there is no universal definition for truth whose claim is genuine?
Here is mine, truth is that which is in harmony with reasoning, science and in conformity with the immutable laws of nature.

"You are saying that you are god but not God."
Vj ~ I'm saying I'm not God who is conscious of the three periods of time, past (before this creation), present and the future, but that I'm way intelligent than the Christian God, who doesn't know what he was doing before this creation.

"I can show you from your own words that you are not in bliss."
Vj ~ You have to experience it to know what it is. No Christian is even close to it, much less telling me what it is. - "No tongue can express that bliss which flows, from communion with the Supreme Spirit, into the soul of that man whose impurities are washed off by the practice of yoga, whose mind being abstracted from the outside world is centered in the Supreme Spirit; because that happiness is felt by the human soul in its inner self alone." Upanishad

"There is truly one race, which is the human race."
Vj ~ That's not the way it was when they (Africans) were forcibly torn from their family, constantly whipped, put in chains and lynched. The untold sufferings of the indigenous under Christian colonial rule cannot be denied either.

"God revealing himself to mankind was not a accident."
Vj ~ It never happened! Only the ignorant would want to believe it to be so. "He the Supreme, of infinite glory, has no likeness, weight or measurement." Yajur Ved 32:3. The embodiment of the soul is bondage, God can never be subjected to bondage.
In the rest of the paragraph you are preaching not debating.

"There is a universal definition of truth Jesus said, "I am the Way, the Truth, the Life."
Vj ~ How is it universal, when those before Christ and those in remote regions were deprived of it?

"I see that God has passed your definition with ease."
Vj ~ Sure, to a fool anything is possible with God, even stupidity.

"The Truth is recorded in a book, but the source of the book and why we even have history is to tell the story of Jesus for it truly His story that we tell."
Vj ~ And that is what it is, a story based on history and has nothing to do with revelation. I have noticed you deliberately avoid commenting on Thomas Paine's quote. Christianity is not compatible to logic and reason.

"Your accusation of me drawing a crowd to get money is funny."
Vj ~ You talk about logic and reason, but you're not thinking man!

"Millions of innocent men, women, and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burnt, tortured, fined and imprisoned. What has been the effect of this coercion? To make one half the world fools and the other half hypocrites; to support roguery and error all over the earth." Thomas Jefferson

"Even the Supreme Spirit you talk about is just one among many."
Vj ~ After a few weeks of discourse, is that what you've come to know, or you're just shooting the shit for the sake of shooting the shit as you're so trained to do as a fool?

"None of those gods are powerful enough to cure people of their ignorance."
Vj ~ A doctor would not be able to cure a patient if the patient is not willing to follow instructions. The same with my God and He is One but is known by many names because of His nature, attributes and characteristics. Just like you're Kenneth, father, uncle, friend, co-worker, tax-payer, etc., get it dumb-ass.

"I also see that you ignore the fact the God is powerful enough to make the natural laws that govern us."
Vj ~The laws of nature and laws of karma are all eternal and aren't created or changeable. His power is best demonstrated when He can operate within these laws and not above them.

"We see the universe marvelously arranged and obeying certain laws but only dimly understand these laws." Albert Einstein

"I have history to back up the Bible is accurate."
Vj ~ History alone is not evidence, especially when an idiot is trying to use it for that purpose. As I said, God has no cure for a fool neither do I.

"This is why I can say that the Vedas are wrong."
Vj ~ Again jackass! The Vedic religion was not and is not like other present-day religions, nor is it exclusive and confined to the inhabitants of India. It is universal and does not derive its authority from any single person, no matter how holy or wise. It humbly maintains that truth was complementary and not exclusive and contradictory and as such, it commands allegiance to all people in all ages. The very first inhabitants of this planet read the Vedas. Did Adam, Eve, Cain and Abel read the Bible?

"And I would say that logic and reason are a requirement for Heaven"
Vj ~ In the state of stupidity, you're not an authority on logic and reason. The thief on the cross got to heaven without it, a fool can confess and get to heaven, so it is not a requirement. The atheists (Dawkins, Hitchens, Sam Harris, etc. are epitomes of logic and reason. These people are closer to God's wisdom than any feeble-minded believer.

" I know Christianity is the truth. Nothing else matters, so I partake in that which is true."
Vj ~ This is to show how fucked up you are. You can't claim Christianity to be true when you haven't made the "strenuous effort" required to investigate all the other religions of the world. If you were anything close to sensible you'd want to do so, especially when they are existing religions far older than Christianity. You can't taste one apple from a tree and declare it to the sweetest, can you? I guess being the ass you are, you can!

"God said as the first rule of the Ten Commandments thou shalt have no other gods before me."
Vj ~ I guess it doesn't bother you when your god said it?

"If there is a God who has created heaven and earth, it will be unjust on His part if He deprived millions of souls born before Moses, of His divine knowledge." Prof. MaxMuller.

"Only the wisest and stupidest of men never change." Confucius

"It is plain to see that you lack knowledge."
Vj ~ You've got it all wrong man, it is you who "lack the knowledge " to answer the question, "what was your god doing before this creation? If he didn't reveal it, he is also a dumb-ass of a god. Why not ask your brilliant scientist Lennox?

"You praise anti-religious people that scorn and mock you for your belief."
Vj ~ This is the verdict of karma - "Question with boldness even the existence of a God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason, than that of blindfolded fear." Thomas Jefferson

Vj ~ What do you know of the Vedic philosophy to conclude I'm lying jackass? The big bang is a western concept where science is lame and religion is blind. There was no big bang!
"Science without religion is lame and religion without science is blind." Einstein.

"Once you have discovered the truth is is foolish to keep looking, as anything else will not be the truth."
Vj ~ Truth is when you have all the answers. So how can you stop looking when you don't know what your god was doing before this creation?

"The wisest man ever was Solomon and he believed in God."
Vj ~ Action speaks louder than words! He was busy screwing his concubines and the wives of his subjects, is that what you call wise?

"Adam and Eve talked directly with God."
Vj ~ And why isn't he talking to anyone else now? Different rules for different people at different times is the trait of ignorance, not wisdom.

"I do strenuous effort to know Christianity is true."
Vj ~ And the thief on the cross didn't do shit and still got to heaven. Different rules for different people at different times. You've god one screwed up lunatic for a god.

" I do not think that we are so smart."
Vj ~ So how come you're giving me a lecture on logic and reasoning, dumb ass? Christianity is a religion that teaches that stupidity is good enough for heaven, so why would you want to be smart? On the other hand, I have to be smart, my faith requires it.

"You have no idea what God was doing before creation,"
Vj ~ How would you know that dumbass when you know nothing of my faith?

"so you have no clue if the information would have made our lives any easier."
Vj ~ Mine is! How come I know Christians are dumb asses?

"I do not need to know Vedic philosophy"
Vj ~ Makes good sense! Why strive to become smart when stupidity is good enough for heaven?

"You lack the knowledge of reason and argumentation and are showing your ignorance."
Vj ~ Are you listening to yourself dumb ass? You said earlier, " I do not think that we are so smart."

"and see that the universe is not eternal."
Vj ~ Where did I say the universe is eternal? All things created are finite and must come to an end, including the universe.

"Adam and Eve caused the downfall of the human race."
Vj ~ You'd think they could have done better since God spoke directly to them. Are you sure it is not your god who failed them?
When an individual is weak (not so smart) and very steep in ignorance, it is never his/her fault, but someone else to blame. Automakers can make perfect cars and builders can build beautiful mansions or palaces, etc., but an All-perfect God, couldn't create a perfect human civilization. This is what a dumb ass would come up with.

"The rules did not change,"
Vj ~How would one not "so smart" know that truth is one, the same for all in all ages, past, present, and future? A god that changes the rules just get a fool into heaven is a complete lunatic.

"Yes, the thief on the cross did a lot of thinking and reasoned correctly that he was a sinner."
Vj ~ So the message the bible is sending here, is, a man can cheat, rape, steal, pillage and plunder all his life and all he has to do on his death bed is to reason "correctly that he was a sinner" and gets to heaven. It means I'm denied heaven because I refuse to be stupid.

"hate and spite"
Vj ~ It is your god's nature! He did nothing for the 400 years the Jews were in bondage, he destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah, he drowned the whole world, murdered 70,000 Israelite, all the first born of Egypt, etc. He didn't give a shit about his own son was who nailed to a cross.

" I have the word of God"
Vj ~ And what did his word says about his activities before this creation?

"You will be rejected entrance into Heaven for rejecting Jesus."
Vj ~It would be good company for thieves, adulterers, murderers, etc. I couldn't fit in.
Have fun with Noah's ark

"Two logical fallacies just make you look foolish."
Vj ~ You probably spent all life studying the Bible, going to church regularly to hear it preached, converting more fools and probably donated a lot to the cause, staunchly believing they were the necessary criteria for you to get to heaven. But one, a vagabond and a thief all his life, who never did any of the above, got to heaven and you're talking about logic, and worst calling me foolish. What a dumb ass!

"You know nothing of God."
Vj ~ This much I know! "A God who would inflict "flood, fire, famine, plague, pestilence and drought" on humankind is nothing less than a "thug" in the sky." Prof.Dan Goldstick.

"There is no logical reason we would need to know."
Vj ~ Logic and reason are not compatible to ignorance (Christianity). Everyone sensible would like to know, but a god who doesn't have the answer is the reason you're an idiot.

"You do not know what your god was doing before creation either as nature did not even exist."
Vj ~How the hell would you know nature didn't exist when you just said "there is no logical reason we would need to know" what happened before this creation?

"I can guarantee you that all the humans that end up in Heaven do not deserve to be there."
Vj ~ I can guarantee you there is no such place as your heaven because I know what my God was doing before this creation. It simply means you're screwed!

"You have already brought up the flood"
Vj ~ I know, and I want to know why there is no more flood since there are no shortages of sinners, the reason he flooded it te first time. And if you insist Jesus was going to make things right now, why didn't he send Jesus at the beginning which could prevent him from drowning so many innocent souls.

"I am grateful for the love and mercy that God has shown."
Vj ~ Drowning millions of innocent men, women, children, and sentient creatures is not what any sensible person would call "love and mercy". And where are they now! Burning in hell for all eternity is my guess. Man, you're one fucked up Christian! It seems our system of justice, even though we are fallible, is far more merciful where there is a chance of being paroled.

"Your replies show just how unwise you truly are."
Vj ~ Unwise are those who peddle one one religion, boasting with all their might it is the truth.

"You unleashed more ad hominem attacks."
Vj ~ Seems to me, you don't even understand your own religion. Am I not still going to hell even if I don't? On the other hand, if you are already guaranteed heaven, why is "ad hominem attacks" so painful to you?

"I see you are into misquoting me like atheists are found of doing."
Vj ~ Recently the poll shows atheists and agnostics know more about the Bible than Christians themselves. They, like you, have read the Bible, but they apply logic and reason which bring out the absurdities and are able to discredit your god.

"You get into Heaven based on your relationship with Jesus."
Vj ~ You don't get it lamebrain! It is an injustice to deprive millions born before, and those in remote regions who never heard of the bastard.

"At least God has existed eternally."
Vj ~ How would you know God has no beginning, when you don't what he was doing before, jackass?
Eternal means "without beginning and without end" or always existing. Without beginning until our present time is a pretty long time for this god, who is the Creator, to be inactive. Doesn't make any sense at all.

Furthermore, since eternal means "without beginning and without end" it would mean whatever is created (finite) has a beginning and must come to an end. This means you, your soul, your heaven which is all created has a beginning cannot last forever. So tell me, how can a finite Christian enjoy eternity in finite heaven? Another rule your incompetent god is capable of bending. This is what we call logic and reason.

"You could not tell me what your god was doing before creation as you do not believe in creation nor do you believe in God."
Vj ~ If you weren't busy looking at the design you would have found it on my site.

"In this cycle of creation, God created the sun, moon, earth and sky, and all the natural elements like air, fire, and water, and all life-forms. He created exactly as He did in past creations, and as He would do in future ones, too." Rig Veda X, 190

"How many times must one tell the truth to remove a single lie?"
Vj ~ The bible is more like telling lies to remove truth to keep Christians in ignorance, which is the only criteria necessary for heaven.

"Well Christians do not use might to convert."
Vj ~ You right, they just use the fear of a burning hellfire!

"Ad hominem attacks are logical fallacies......are painful to me because they are intellectual sins"
Vj ~ For whom? It is my sin and even if I don't use it, I'm still a sinner bound for hell, so what have I got to lose? And why are you afraid of being a sinner when you are already one, as you said, still good enough for heaven? Look at your prophets, murderer, adulterer, an act of incest, etc. and you're worried about intellectual sin.

" You certainly do not know more about the Bible than me."
Vj ~ Maybe, but still a lot more sense having full knowledge of all religions, before claiming which one is true.

"The is the difference between knowledge and wisdom."
Vj ~ Again dumb ass, why do you need either, when a fool (thief) got to heaven without it?

"Jesus is also the God in the Old Testament so people knew Jesus back then too."
Vj ~ You ass holes can make up any shit when confronted with anything sensible. If they knew Jesus back then, it would mean a virgin was screwed twice?

"God said He is eternal."
Vj ~ But yet not intelligent enough to tell you what he was doing until now.

"Our souls are everlasting."
Vj ~ God is everlasting also because he has no beginning. Again, I asked, how is your soul everlasting when it was created or has a beginning? I know it is not a sin for a Christian to be a dumb ass.

"God did know that the entire world was evil."
Vj ~ Even the children?

"Even you believe in karma and that the evil is punished."
Vj ~ I do not "believe", I know and you're high up on the list for punishment.

"You did not answer the question of how many truths must one tell in order to remove a single lie."
Vj ~ Do you have a definition for truth? Why would you want "to remove a single lie" when it is not an impediment to heaven? Thieves, murderers, adulterers, etc. are certainly a bigger deal than a single lie. Isn't it?

" You lied about the purpose of the Bible."
Vj ~ The bible is lie and I lying about its purpose, is considered a blessing.

"You falsely accused God of allowing sin into Heaven. "
Vj ~ Isn't it the very heaven, Lucifer and his band of angels became evil and wicked?

"You will be justly punished for your sins against God."
Vj ~ You have to keep in mind dumb ass, to me, your god doesn't exist. I know so because I have made the necessary effort to study all religions. Have you?

"You could not tell me what your god was doing before creation as you do not believe in creation nor do you believe in God."
Vj ~ If you weren't busy looking at the design you would have found it on my site, but again ignorance is good enough for your heaven.

"In this cycle of creation, God created the sun, moon, earth and sky, and all the natural elements like air, fire, and water, and all life-forms. He created exactly as He did in past creations, and as He would do in future ones, too. Rig Veda X, 190

"The less you know, the more you believe." Bono. My faith is not based on belief for in belief there are doubts.
Vj ~ "The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt." Bertrand Russell. Let me explain it for you, the "stupid" are Christians and the "intelligent" are atheists and agnostics.

"You know that no amount of truth-telling could ever remove a single lie."
Vj ~ God (Vedic) has no cure for a fool, so you're right "no amount of truth" can convince a fool the bible is a blatant lie.

"No one can repay for their evil deeds by doing good in the first place."
Vj ~ A Christian is mentally and physically lazy so he/she is resigned to the fact salvation is a free gift so why would it be necessary to make an effort to be good?

We, the Aryans, know different - Activity is superior to destiny!
Whether it be in the past, present or in the future most understand destiny to be a seemingly inevitable succession of events, especially those very painful and that we are powerless to avoid them. Indeed destiny cannot be changed because it has to do with only the past. Sins are not forgiven, but the present activity of acquiring true knowledge and putting it into practice (yoga), is the only power to cancel them.

"The misery which is not yet come can and is to be avoided." Yoga 2:1

"There is no one that does good."
Vj ~ The same can be said, no one knows the truth, but then if one does, how would you recognize it?
You first have to know what is good before making such a statement.

"so nature is not powerful enough to create a universe that is everlasting"
Vj ~ Is that what you got from quote dumb ass?

"In this cycle of creation, God created the sun, moon, earth and sky, and all the natural elements like air, fire, and water, and all life-forms. He created exactly as He did in past creations, and as He would do in future ones, too. Rig Veda X, 190

Where does it say the universe is everlasting? As a cycle is created it comes to an end after 4.3 billion years, and then another is created again and again. God, souls, and matter are eternal, so are the cycles of creation.

"Why is everlasting life something you think you must earn?"
Vj ~Vj ~ If you don't then Jesus is a liar! "Whatsoever a man soweth, that will he reapeth"

Response to Kenneth Gee April, 2018
" I do not know why you are such a vulgar person"
Vj ~ Vj ~ I'm preparing my soul for your heaven. I don't know how long it's going take me as I'm yet to screw my housemaid (Abraham), my daughters (Lot) and my neighbors' wives (Solomon).

"There will be plenty of food in heaven."
Vj ~ Really! You do know that since history began the population of the world is about 75 billion and Christians are one-third of that. You will be among 25 billion Christians feasting. Can you tell me where all the shit and piss will be going or the sewer system leads to your god's belly? It seems to me your New Earth is already overpopulated.

"But tell me what will you do if and when you get to the highest spiritual place? "
Vj ~ What I know of your heaven is from your bible, if you want to know of my heaven you're welcome to peruse my faith (vjsingh.info/true) and if there is no interest to do so, you can bugger off.

"Why would I check information about a religion know to be false when the person trying to convince me that I am wrong about mine is vulgar and impolite."
Vj ~ Truth is "vulgar and impolite" to a fool, it is the reason there is no cure. Probably, if you were impartial in the first place in perusing my work, there could have been a chance it would not have turned out to be this way. On the other hand, if you can't see further than vulgarity, you completely lost to the truth which is harmony with reasoning, science and in conformity with natural laws.

PS
You didn't answer the question, wherein heaven 25 billion Christians are going to shit? That will be one smelly and shitty place of heaven.