Debunking Evolution
Part IX

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Dialogue 1
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Rebuttal from: Hello harryll - October 14, 2000
Harry: Hello....VJ is the perfect example of why we must keep a separation between "Church" and "State"...
  • Vj ~ If you are a blind jackass why not get someone with good sight to read it to you. There are no temples, no mosque. and no church. Everyone worshipped the one true God. There are no mediators, no incarnation or manifestation and no prophet. God was only addressed according to His Nature, Attributes, and characteristics.

    Hello tjaime1
    Jaime: That�s a rather grand assumption that I know nothing of the practices of Yoga.

  • Vj ~ Knowing it without the effort of its correct practices, still leaves you an idiot.

    Jaime: I do happen to be a Buddhist, and I have studied the many varied practices of Yoga, academically and non-academically. I have studied the Vedas, and I have read the Bhagavad-gita and the Upanishads.

  • Vj ~ Very good indeed, if you studied the Vedas, the origin of Yoga, then you won't mind telling the world why it was necessary for Buddha to replace the Vedic religion with Buddhism?

    Jaime: But What I have seen in my studies, and what I have learned from other knowledgeable people, bears no resemblance to what you are speaking.

  • Vj ~ How could it, when it is left to an idiot to determine who is knowledgeable?

    Jaime: Why should the fact that the Tibet and China border India offer any proof?

  • Vj ~ Aren't they populated enough for one who studied the Vedas?

    Jaime: They are geographically harder to reach from the sub-continent of India than Africa is. Surely you know of the Himalayan mountains.

  • Vj ~ So by your studies of the Vedas, do you think geographically the same situation exists today as it were 4,000,000 years ago?

    Jaime: All scientific evidence points to Africa as the origin of all modern races, unless you can provide real facts to the contrary,

  • Vj ~ As more scientific 'progress' are made, new-found scientific evidence contradict the old ones, so whose evidences must we believe? Any evidence, theological or scientific, must conform with the immutable laws of nature only then it is the truth. Progression is downwards for all things finite - cars, houses, boats, humans, etc. so how could the culture of any kind progress from cannibalism, barbarism, and tyranny (static) to universal harmony (realized)?

    Jaime: Without name-calling, I think we all must assume you speak only opinions.

  • Vj ~ If name-calling offends you, then it is absolutely certain that you know nothing of yoga (mind control).

    Jaime: What seems obvious to me is that physical features of people changed as they moved out of Africa into different climates.

  • Vj ~ As I said before there is only one race (of India) that presently experiences a change of complexion and features, therefore, it is logical to believe that from them all races originated.

    Jaime: If your going to argue that there is no 'source' civilization in Africa, there are ruins of many great civilizations there, which we know sadly little about.

  • Vj ~ And even sadder, you are rejecting the evidence of what you know - the ruins of Harappa, etc. which left signs that our origin was from a very advanced civilization.

    Jaime: It also seems quite obvious to me that it is easier to reach India through the Khyber pass and the smaller mountains on the Pakistan/Afghanistan side than to traverse the rather treacherous Himalayans on the other side.

  • Vj ~ In the same way, the truth that I propagate is also easy to reach, but the direction an idiot chose to take, would make it seem impossible.

    Jaime: And if the Aryans originated from Tibet, why don't they speak a Sanskrit language there?

  • Vj ~ Sanskrit is not even a spoken language anywhere in India now, so what else you expected of Tibet.

    Jaime: Why doesn't Chinese culture more closely resemble the Indo-Aryan culture?

  • Vj ~ Why China, when even in some parts of India there is no resemblance to it? It only shows how fast it is becoming a world of perverted intellects, conforming with the immutable laws of nature.

    Jaime: I have studied yoga and the Vedas, I do think they contain the wisdom and truth that is found in many great scriptures,

  • Vj ~ So what more proof you need that it is not the source of all cultures?

    Jaime: but I think you are incapable of grasping the deeper meaning because the truth of the Vedas is not lessened by the fact that the people who wrote it came from the Eurasian steppes and not Tibet.

  • Vj ~ True, but it is lessened to the benefit of all, because of those outside who tried to re-write it.

    Jaime: ... religion without science is blind. Just quoting Einstein doesn't mean you are using science, in your religious fervor you repeatedly reject the scientific evidence that others are giving you.

  • Vj ~ I reject them on the basis that they are a breach to the immutable laws of nature. I am indeed surprised that one who studied the Vedas, the source of all knowledge known to man, can be so ignorant of these laws.

    Dialogue 2
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    Rebuttal from:Hello harryll - October 16, 2000
    Harry: Everything that you yourself say really are OPINIONS that you try to justify as being directly from the "source", God...
  • Vj ~ Better an All-intelligent God than from a monkey-brain. Anyway, I want you to know harryll that there is only one reason why I respond to your posts and that is to prevent as many innocent souls as I can from becoming a stubborn jackass like you.

    Harry: You insist that we individually must wade through all of the Vedic scriptures to learn for ourselves,

  • Vj ~ Why should it be an exception when no one insisted that you "wade" through all the theories of evolution? It would make perfect sense to do it since it is through my scripture that I am refuting your baseless theories.

    Harry: If it is there, SHOWS US, demonstrate the wisdom, don't just keep claiming that it is there...

  • Vj ~ You should know by now, that wisdom can be demonstrated, but only someone wise would be able to perceive it as such. And most certainly, if a fool can, then whatever is demonstrated cannot be called wisdom.

    Harry: To you, it is all just empty words and opinion, that is why you hate science...

  • Vj ~ I hate no man, but their actions. I hate not science but the destruction it brings (to the soul).

    Harry: Honesty is ALWAYS the casualty of blind obsession belief and you are the best example of that that I have ever seen....

  • Vj ~ "Blind obsession belief" is your way of honesty, because your way is 'right' without investigating mine.

    Hello tjaime1
    Jaime: I am only going to respond to your comment about Buddhism.

  • Vj ~ Of course, you haven't enough brains to deal with the rest.

    Jaime: Buddha lived in a world where although the Vedas were being practiced, and although they contained some great truths, people were forced to abide by them without question.

  • Vj ~ Then it would have been fitting for Buddha as an intelligent being to continue with the truth instead of inventing something new. If it is justified to replace old 'truths' with new ones, then we should all abandon our beliefs for the Baha'i faith since it claimed to be the last revelation. It must have come about, as you claimed in your case, because "people were forced to abide" by all the others "without question" also.

    Jaime: Lower classes were denied the privilege of reading the literature so they might learn for themselves.

  • Vj ~ If you weren't the brainless twit you are, you would have realized that I specifically mentioned the Vedic religion and not Hinduism .

    Dialogue 3
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    Rebuttal from: Hello RYANPITMAN - October 18, 2000
    Ryan: Most Americans doubt evolution.
  • Vj ~ Then again most Americans are also brainwashed with something else!

    Ryan: Some accept it as "fact," because they are as mindless as the fanatics who promote evolution.

  • Vj ~ At the very least, they welcome critical thinking, which is a lot more than what most Americans can't tolerate.

    Ryan: The plainly false arguments of evolution are not science, they are pathetic attempts to indoctrinate, not educate.

  • Vj ~ And where in America's religions there is no indoctrination? It is better to be an atheist than a hypocrite.

    Hello IronFlames
    Iron: VJ The tart cart�If India is the cradle of civilization then why are they so lacking in everything from technology to disease control.

  • Vj ~ Because they (Hindus) were the first to reject the true message of the Vedas. But, however, after your technology has destroyed the planet (retrogression and decadence), India will continue to be the source nation (ethics and morals) for those who will become savages again.

    Iron: They are dirt poor and have absolutely no influence in the modern world.

  • Vj ~ Very true, and that is because they are reincarnated souls born in pain and misery, being penalized for the sins of being atheists and believers of false dogmas. So you need not wonder what would become of you after this life.

    Iron: Hate to burst your bubble snapperhead, but there is not one iota of proof that man came from India.

  • Vj ~ What good would that be when there is not one iota of proof that any of you idiots are looking for the truth either, of the origin of life and the material cause of the universe?

    Iron: There is proof he originated from Africa though.

  • Vj ~ Proof good enough for an idiot who is completely ignorant of the functions of natural laws which is no different from proof of raising of the dead.

    Iron: It is supposed that Neanderthal came from Northern Europe, Homo Erectus came from Asia and Homo sapiens, that�s us in case your tiny little un used brain did not know, from AFRICA.

  • Vj ~ Considering the huge population of Asia it seems the "Neanderthal and Homo sapiens" had erectile difficulties.

    Iron: All I have to say is how smart can India be when they worship the very thing God gave us for Nourishment and food, The Cow.

  • Vj ~ They are smart enough to know that eating the cow diminishes the nourishment (less milk). A cow and her generation can feed (dairy products) thousands of people while one cow butchered can barely feed one hundred. And not to mention their valuable and natural contribution to fertilizing (manure) the land for suitable agriculture.

    Iron: You and only you are the Jackass, idiot on this board.

  • Vj ~ It must be a terrible embarrassment for you that an "idiot and jackass" has so much knowledge of the functions of natural laws and no erectile difficulty.

    Iron: By the way why don�t you twist yourself into a ball-ala YOGA. And roll into reality. ROTFLMAO.

  • Vj ~ Actually, that is what brought me here.

    Dialogue 4
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    Rebuttal from: Hello masked_1 - October 19, 2000
    Masked: Why does anyone bother to talk to him some of you've been here longer than i have.
  • Vj ~ It is what fools do best, they can't help making idiots of themselves.

    Masked: He can't even take an ally who is just as ridiculus as he is. masked_1

  • Vj ~ It will be a breach to natural laws for the few (wise) to take allies in huge numbers since the company of fools must continue to grow (the majority).

    Hello Whatthef
    Wtf: Geez, what a mess this board has...... ........... .......... well, ...... .... Remained, I guess....

  • Vj ~ No wonder so many pig-brains are attracted to it.

    Hello harryll
    Harry: You are right Iron Flames....

  • Vj ~ One fool to another.

    Harry: There is little to admire about the nation of India...

  • Vj ~ That would depend how much the jackass knows of India.

    Harry: They have a "Caste" system that they have perpetuated into a way of life over the centuries....

  • Vj ~ It is ignorance as yours that gives rise to the caste system. You may be aghast of the intolerable treatment, but it is souls like yours that are relegated to such despicable conditions.

    Hello ViJaiSingh2
    ViJ: V, just had to come back one more time before these board shut down. You have to be the most pig-headed, egotistical bastards I have ever had the unpleasant privilege to converse with.

  • Vj ~ You are not only an idiot, but a coward also! You couldn't use your own name to do it either.

    ViJ: Surely, you already know that...I only glad that I have only met one of you in my lifetime

  • Vj ~ Keep your fingers crossed then, that your "lifetime" doesn't meet an end tonight.

    ViJ: Too bad you could not have been one of those killed in the most recent earthquake in India....

  • Vj ~ Then it is better to remain a "egoistical bastard", since bad things happen to good people.

    ViJ: The world would be a much better place.

  • Vj ~ If your world depends on how others make it for you, you will always be an idiot in serious trouble, even if I weren't around.

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    Rebuttal from: Hello smcglasson - February 6, 2000
    Sam: VJ - I don't know why you would say I "couldn't handle" your case for creation when I've never heard it before.
  • Vj ~ Then you must lay the blame at your own stupidity. I am quite sure you heard this before - "Ignorance of the law is no excuse." Besides if you never heard of my case (theology) before how can you honestly defend yours (evolution)?

    Sam: It's interesting, but not in the least scientific as it claims to be.

  • Vj ~ Boy you are not very smart, are you? How could be, when you "never heard it before"?

    Sam: It's just another religious creation myth, although over a longer period of time.

  • Vj ~ I would think that something created out of nothing (evolution's theory) would be more of myth than the Vedic theory

    Sam: It's about as scientific as the Christian one, which is to say not at all.

  • Vj ~ You definitely have shit for brains, because both Christianity and evolutionist claim out of nothing, the universe came.

    Hello smcglasson
    Sam: VJ - No, grasshopper, the universe did not come from nothing... it is only matter that changed form and location.

  • Vj ~ Brilliant! So all you have to do now is tell us where matter came from. Must be embarrassing that a "grasshopper" can ask such a rational question.

    Sam: Life also did not come from nothing, my befuddled student - life arose from the combination of matter and energy and environment that made it inevitable, under the physical laws known through science.

  • Vj ~ Now we need to know the origin of energy and why these laws (by existing matter and energy) cannot produce a 747 or more life (humans) without the aid of intelligent intervention?

    Sam: It is difficult for some to grasp, the span of time that has been before now...

  • Vj ~ Very true, that is if "some" prefer to remain brainless and stupid like you.

    Sam: but with some consideration, the value of the present moment can be seen more respectfully, and the possibilities of life appreciated.

  • Vj ~ I can't see how life can be fully appreciated, unless you are a complete idiot, not knowing whether you have a soul or not (origin of life).
    Dialogue 6
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    Rebuttal from: Hello AArrow1 - February 9, 2001
    AA: VJ, before the boards close down I just had to tell you this.
  • Vj ~ You can tell me a lot more, just bookmark my site. Who knows what you can turn out to be?

    AA: stop sniffing glue. it is bad for your brain!! Ciao, bub

  • Vj ~You should know well, what it can do!

    AA: I hope some day you come out of your deranged stupor.

  • Vj ~ How would you know if the damage is not already done to you, as native teens did nothing else but sniff glue and gasoline?

    AA: Farewell!

  • Vj ~ Good luck to you too, my friend and thanks for the dialogue.

    Bye Rosamond
    Rosa: Aarrow... you are assuming there is a brain present for glue to destroy...

  • Vj ~ The condition of one's brain good or bad doesn't matter Rosa, as you are well 'protected' by your theory where life is only a chance, with nothing to be rewarded or punished for in the hereafter. Good luck to you too, my friend and may you too one day find favor with good reasoning guided by the correct knowledge. It is the best gift, even if I am perceived as an enemy, that I can leave all my friends. May Omniscient One inspire you to greater wisdom as you are already on the path.

    Hello harryll,
    Harry: Hello Rosemond, Aarrow and all...Has anybody found another board with a similar setup as this Excite board??...

  • Vj ~ How about similar knowledge? Only God knows how much a jackass like you needs it.

    Harry: In his last response to me, VJ gave me a link to his "source" readings...God, are they awful...

  • Vj ~ You should be happy then since I am only trying to make it easier for you to refute.

    Hello smcglasson
    Sam: VJ - Physicists have known about leptons for some time.

  • Vj ~ So have the Rishis of yore also, it is not something new but rediscovered.

    Sam: And that article is very suspect anyway, because there is no such thing as an "IQ meter" that could "break down." There are only tests.

  • Vj ~ The same can be said of God also, but that would depend on who is impartially prepared to do the test.

    Sam: That was a pure fabrication, and makes the other claims equally suspect.

  • Vj ~ So is my case of propagating a Creator of the Universe also, because you have failed or refuse to do the proper investigation.

    Sam: Also, the young Indian lad was not of the Vedic religion, it appears.

  • Vj ~ It wouldn't matter what religion or non-religion one of the high inclinations has achieved since one is the reincarnated soul of the Vedic philosophy.

    Sam: If Vedics are so superior in science, why do these Indian geniuses you admire so much make all of their discoveries and advances with modern, "western" science?

  • Vj ~ The source of all sciences is the Vedas and it is for the benefit of the whole human race. The West may have found some comfort in what they have achieved in science, while India is still responsible for its own downfall, but she holds the key to the highest of all sciences (the most abstruse science of the Supreme) which leads to the emancipation of the soul, and which is still practiced by a few . Any science discovered or rediscovered that does not aid the soul to emancipation is useless because it poses the danger of doing the opposite, and that is, relegating the soul to deeper and deeper pain and misery.

    Dialogue 7
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    Rebuttal from:Hello harryll - February 12, 2001
    Harry: Gee VJ...You forgot to comment on the high percentage of Indian cab drivers we have in New York, but of course those are lower class in your eyes...
  • Vj ~ I didn't, I just felt it unnecessary to remind a jackass of what he already knows.

    Harry: Where is this Vedic science so that we can see it???

  • Vj ~ Here!!

    Harry: ...Show us examples of what it can do that western science can't

  • Vj ~ Can you bathe regularly with cold water? The art of controlling the mind is a higher science than landing a satellite on an asteroid 200,000,000 miles away.

    Hello smcglasson
    Sam: Well, I have to admit... this amazing accomplishment of "bathing regularly with cold water" most certainly eclipses the greatest achievements of western science.

  • Vj ~ It must be since it is more a difficult feat for the feeble mind to do in comparison to the simple task of being easily engrossed in science that bares no benefit to the uplift of the human soul.

    Sam: What is a nuclear power plant, or a telecommunications satellite,

  • Vj ~ If they do not contribute to the origin and exploration of the human soul, they are useless.

    Sam: or an effective AIDS medication, compared to an Indian guy who can bathe in cold water?

  • Vj ~ Self-control (mind) promotes abstinence and therefore completely diminishes the chances of being inflicted with aids. When prevention (superior science) is better than cure (inferior science), who needs "medication". I have tried to make this as simple as I can but this wisdom is so superior that it seems your stupidity has become a serious impediment to grasping any of it.

    Hello harryll
    Harry: Hello VJ...So a nuclear power plant or a telecommunications satellite are useless because "they do not contribute to the origin and exploration of the human soul."...

  • Vj ~ Note "human", and not a jackass.

    Harry: By that stupid criteria, NOTHING has any value

  • Vj ~ Of what value can it be, when all are for nought.

    Harry: Spiritualism and "soul" are not demonstrable, that's why they are not included within science

  • Vj ~ Speaking of your science, of course, which is mainly for the purpose of curiosity (space) and cure (diseases).

    Harry: ...You make claims concerning the soul but you are simply repeating someone else's thoughts and writings which you hope are Divinely genuine.....

  • Vj ~ Since you yourself weren't born with the "thoughts and writings" that have made you a scientists, you are definitely in no position to contradict me.

    Harry: You would be happy living in a world of 4 thousand years ago, that is where your mentality really is, in the distant past...

  • Vj ~ If you truly understood the "distant past" which conforms with natural laws (first wisdom then decadence to ignorance), it was the ages of the rishis.

    Harry: I wish that you could live in a world like that...

  • Vj ~ Me too, and the only jackasses around would be the ones on four legs.

    Harry: Why not move to Afghanistan, it's well on it's way back to that period of time...

  • Vj ~ Seems it is "well on it's way back" to your time of primitive cavemen.

    Harry: And for the same reasons that you use, RELIGION...

  • Vj ~ It wouldn't matter since it is of no purpose to a jackass.

    Harry: Nothing else matters to you except your specific religion, because of this,

  • Vj ~ My religion contains one truth and has been for all in all ages. It is a lot more than what your science couldn't offer those in the past, and you, of what the future might bring.

    Harry: you are incapable of rational thought concerning reality, science, or for that matter, ANYTHING...Get a life VJ....

  • Vj ~ To begin with "any rational thought" must be in conformity with the immutable laws of nature, you are dunce or rather a dumb jackass when it comes to the orderly and lawful functions of these laws.

    Hello Ritewing2
    RW: Hey Vijai, in your last answer of your last post to smcglasson, you said "self control (mind) promotes abstinence and therefore completely diminishes the chances of being inflicted with AIDS."

  • Vj ~ I hope it is not too late for you!

    RW: Question: Can you really speak about a virtue called "abstinence" when we are talking about a country who has the grossest rate of overpopulation this world has ever seen?

  • Vj ~ Had you read the subject on Hinduism you would have realized that India's demise is the fault of its inhabitants because of their rejection of the one true religion. And why shouldn't it be one of the two (China) most populated countries in the world when civilization" began in Tibet 3,888,000 years ago?

    RW: I guess that Vedic virtue didn't stick to India's wall???

  • Vj ~ The West may have made 'progress' it seems, but such science is scarcely of any benefit to the human race if it is not applied in conjunction with testimonies of the Rishis of yore. The good life many may enjoy now through this 'progress', is the reward for some work of virtue in the previous life and does not necessarily guarantee a better one to come, by displaying blatant ingratitude towards the source (India) of all sciences.

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    Rebuttal from: Hello smcglasson - February 16, 2001
    Sam: VJ - If you are of the opinion that contemplation of the human "soul" is the only worthwhile or helpful pursuit, do you feel comfortable taking advantage of the fruits of others who have pursued things like, say, indoor plumbing, electricity or telephones?
  • Vj ~ The source knowledge of all those utilities is the Vedas, and it is for the benefit of enhancing the pursuit of the true knowledge where man can be free from pain and misery. Yes for that purpose I take full advantage of it and not like a blind bat seek its comfort in ignorance unfree of pain and misery.

    Sam: It seems odd to say that these things are worthless and at the same time to live your life surrounded by, even depending on, those very things.

  • Vj ~ It is even greater shame to surround oneself with all "those very things" without any gratitude for the source knowledge .

    Hello Rosamond
    Rosa: VJ's ownership of a computer is not worth much, that's for sure

  • Vj ~ It is worth much to me if only one soul can be saved by the knowledge I propagate, but for you it's "worth" diminishes the more you reject this truth .

    Hello smcglasson Sam: VJ - Have you ever even attempted to support your claim that the source of all knowledge, including about plumbing and electricity, is the Vedas?

  • Vj ~ Why should I when you have none at all? All the reason, it is worth the while to investigate.

    Rosa: What is the connection between all this knowledge and technology and your religion?

  • Vj ~ Good reasoning guided by the correct knowledge .

    Rosa: If some ancient Vedic prophets had made schematic diagrams of cell phones, or detailed descriptions of microwave ovens, or even displayed knowledge of how to harness electricity, that would at least be something to support your belief.

  • Vj ~ And what ape-man left you those "schematic diagrams" that led you to believe that the origin of all science is from some chimp in the past? You are either an idiot with no brains or a stubborn mule with no will to do your own investigation, in spite of being shown the waythe .

    Hello LivingWater
    LW: Isaiah 29:16 How stupid can you be? He is the Potter, and he is certainly greater than you. You are only the jars he makes! Should the thing that was created say to the one who made it, "He didn't make us"? Does a jar ever say, "The potter who made me is stupid"? (New Living Translation)

  • Vj ~ You and Isaiah are both stupid also since your creator is a magician who created the universe from nothing. More so, this creator created a serpent that spoke the human tongue. Whoopie! Reminds me of the parable of the mole in my eyes and the beam in your eyes.

    Hello Rosamond
    Rosa: Proverbs 13:16 Proverbs 13 Proverbs 13:15-17 Every prudent man dealeth with knowledge: but a fool layeth open his folly. I hope VJ is reading and applying this to himself.

  • Vj ~ And what idiot would quote from a book that he/she would often contradict?

    Hello harryll
    Harry: Christianity...Mankind's biggest mistake..

  • Vj ~ If only you knew natural laws' steady, repeatable and immutable functions, you would have said the same of the evolution of man from a lower creature.

    Harry: Well VJ...We all know of one idiot who is in total denial of all reality, don't we.??????...

  • Vj ~ I know of many who speak of "reality" but are yet to say what it is and how it affects the origin of life and matter, the material cause of the universe.

    Harry: Your "asking price" for your religion is denial of EVERYTHING observable and real

  • Vj ~ Excellent thought, then how come you cannot observe the reality that there are institutions of learning especially for man. This means man were, are and will always be in need of a teacher.

    Harry: ...Denial of reality (truth) is living a lie, and doing so is the very opposite of "morality"

  • Vj ~ Very true, it is the reason I know you have an attitude worst than a blameless jackass.

    Harry: That is what you do with every comment that you make on these boards

  • Vj ~ You are indeed a brainless twit, among the greatest majority of ignoramuses, not to realize that what is observable through science today is subjected to changes in the future, as the past was by the present. You were born an idiot by it, live your whole life by it and you will surely die an idiot not knowing the origin of life, especially your own, and you call it "reality and truth."

    Harry: Who can really be "saved" do that.?????...

  • Vj ~ All cannot be saved, compulsion being so, otherwise who will take the place (by reincarnation for the greatest sin -ignorance) of vegetation and other creatures necessary for human habitation.

    Harry: You are not "saved" VJ, only bewildered and mislead...

  • Vj ~ Perhaps, but I know the origin of life, the efficient and material cause of the universe and also the true functions of natural laws, which leaves you worst than "bewildered and mislead".

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    Hello Tracy - Resurrection - November 04, 1999
    Because something that has been dead for three days can not come back to life.
  • Vj ~ Very true, and realistically speaking, it breaches a law that requires it to be steady which means that there are repeated occurrences of death and not the same for resurrection, and like the evolution of man, they both breach the immutable laws of nature. Therefore, resurrection is as possible as the evolution of man from a lower creature.

    Hello Amen-Moses - What Law? - November 04, 1999
    From what I can gather from your ramblings your position is as follows. You have a "Natural Law" that somehow states that evolution is impossible.

  • Vj ~ It is a law that governs the universe and its function in order. It is your law also. You sit on it every day and yet you don't know it.

    You then state that obviously evolution is not possible because of this "Natural Law".

  • Vj ~ Evolution of man from lower creature is not possible because it is not steady or repeated.

    Now seeing as evolution is a scientific fact (Darwinism is the theory) this can mean only one thing, your "Natural Law" is wrong!

  • Vj ~ Or perhaps, the scientific fact is not a fact and Darwin was ignorant of the laws as you are.

    So please state exactly where the evidence for your "Natural Law" is please.

  • Vj ~ You are the evidence, the fact that you must excrete, which is steady and repeated occurrence as long as you are alive and by only one specific source, your backside. If ever this law is breached you will be in terrible trouble and possibly death. In the same way, the functions of natural laws can be seen everywhere, where there is order.

    Hello Tracy -November 04, 1999
    Vijai, that I'm going to stick with evolution and Atheism for now. Thank you, though.: I think,

  • Vj ~ That's fine with me. Now there can be no denial that you have never faced a truth that was rejected for thousands of years.

    I truly hope that eventually you'll find a place here on these boards and things will cool down.

  • Vj ~ I didn't know it was that hot that it needs to cool down. Well the truth, can be really hot sometimes especially to those who fear it most, which is the majority

    Hello Cygnus -November 05, 1999
    Vijai keeps mentioning something about the "immutable laws of nature". I have been curious as to what the laws of nature are for some time as I believe the best definition of a miracle is a direct violation of these laws. So I will have some info for future reference, I am calling on Vijai Singh to give us a list of his "immutable laws of nature" and put to rest the notion that he is just another religious quack with an agenda of promoting his flavor of the week.
    Failure to provide such a list would, for me anyway, be the end of the line for any future discussions of Vijai's Wacky World o' Wonders.

  • Vj ~ You should know by now that wisdom is never reflected by a piece of paper (certificate or diploma) but by strenuous individual effort in reasoning and contemplation of the correct knowledge. It is a daily or regular practice that calls for discipline and not something to be taken lightly. It is quite an impossible task for a fool, who demands to see all the apples when one is displayed to indicate that the others are also red. I have already given quite a few examples and no one has yet come forward with a response refuting or acknowledging them and yet this idiot continues to ask for a list. I am asking again, what good is a list if the few that I have given, brings no response?

    Since you lack the ability to respond with an answer, one can only assume that it is because you do not have a list and do not have the foggiest idea what a law of nature is.

  • Vj ~ Here lame-brain try this one, the cause of the physical body is the reproductive element. The evidence you look for is that for thousands of years past as far as our recollection of history goes, it has been so, is so now and will always be so for all human appearances. There can be no other way even in the very beginning. It is a law unchangeable. If you truly want to know of these laws, let discuss this one and let me know what is wrong with it.

    I hereby encourage the entire community to refrain from engaging you in conversation as all that you seem able to do is tout how wise you are and how much of a fool everyone else is.

  • Vj ~ I pity the community that is in the hands of a fool for enlightenment.

    You have yet to provide any basis for this and fail to provide anything positive for the community.

  • Vj ~ How about I was providing it but you are too stupid to figure it out?

    I encourage you to change this or refrain from returning.

  • Vj ~ I can change it, but that would make me an exact replica of idiot Cygnus.

    I am sure that no one would be sorry to see you go, oh wise one.

  • Vj ~ What can I say of true knowledge, it rages fools into discomforts over and over. What a shameless and sorry bunch of nonentities.

    Dialogue 10
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    Rebuttal from: #38666 of 38703)
    "Do evolution and creationism belong in schools? "
    Vj ~ Of course they belong in schools how else can the truth be ascertained? But the real travesty, or perhaps bigotry, lies in the curriculum that blatantly ignores true Eastern thoughts.

    Everything that we now enjoy today is the result of the distillation of years, centuries, millennia of human endeavor.
    This includes:
    1) Technology
    2) Mathematics
    3) Writing
    4) Agriculture
    5) and yes, Language"
    "All Biblically supported."
    Vj ~ Even better than the long process evolution, the serpent (stupor) spoke the human tongue.

    The power of good reasoning is essential to know the one true efficient cause of the Universe.

    [ii] - #38684 of 38718)

    "I am a transitional fossil. We all are. Evolution hasn't stopped."
    Vj ~ Perhaps not, but the evolution of man from a lower creature certainly did - since the first human millions of years ago no other did - a breach to the immutable laws of nature which calls for such occurrences to be steady (repeated).

    [iii] -

    Vj ~ Why should I worry when those guilty of murder, adultery, and incest can be granted a reprieve through forgiveness. Actually the sin lies in what you don't know of the One true religion.
    "And that you quote Einstein to push your "one true religion", whatever that may be, isn't going to make you popular in the scientific population, either..."
    Vj ~ If I were looking for popularity, I certainly wouldn't be looking for it among fools. It is not what I push that is in question here, but the wisdom to contradict it. So far there has been none that dared.

    [iv] - (#38708 of 38744)

    888"Again if evolutionists had any knowledge at all of the functions of the immutable laws of nature, they would not have been so ignorant in promoting a theory that breaches these laws. All things finite (created) must die, it is progression downwards, a law."
    "Can you reference this law, please? Didn't think so."
    Vj ~ "For example neither an old car nor an old man can ever regain the original state of brand new nor a child (innocence and purity), similarly, man could not have progressed from a savage environment to a civilized one."
    I have expanded a little on the above - what do you not understand of this statement?

    The power of good reasoning is essential to know the one true efficient cause of the Universe.

    Dialogue 11
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    Rebuttal from: (#38751 of 38810)
    (#38690 of 38744)
    "Well, because you are not me, you cannot possibly know that."
    Vj ~ If I were you, I would have had same concept of faith as "an illiterate nomadic of some remote region". Get it!
    "There are a fair number of scientists in my sangha."
    Vj ~ There are many that are Muslims also that participated or supported the destruction of the Buddha statues in Afghanistan. So what does that tell you of scientists?
    "I've never challenged your faith. "
    Vj ~ Who said you did?" putting up a challenge to my response" Was this so difficult for you to understand"
    "It seems like a perfectly fine one me, in fact Tibetan Buddhism borrows from it."
    Vj ~ This is exactly what I meant of the ignorance of one who teaches biological evolution - if it is that perfect why borrow from it? Why not take it all, become perfect by it so that you never have to ever borrow again?
    "You've not revealed any understanding of evolution (or Buddhism), so your "if that's all you know" line comes up empty. "
    Vj ~ Well my friend revelation is one thing, but understanding is another, both are impossible for one who lacks the proper reasoning habits
    "If you want discussion, please stop the insults, e.g. bigot, smart-ass, lame-brain, etc."
    Vj ~It is a necessary impediment one must cross to find truth. Besides if you are offended by it, it is for your own good.
    Dialogue 12
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    Rebuttal from: 999
    "Vj ~ Likewise the progress of "human endeavor" could not have had its origin from some lower creature. Without a teacher "human endeavor" would have been insignificant - we were taught, the same will be for those in the future, therefore it is sensible to infer that all before us, with the exception of none, were also taught. "
    "If all we could possibly know is what our teachers reveal to us, then our civilizations would have been static. "
    Vj ~ Even worst, think of what it would have been if your teachers were creatures that "grunts and gestures"?

    [ii] - (#38743 of 38767)

    777"the sin lies in what you don't know of the One true religion. "
    "Given how you have represented your "One true religion," please sign me up for the sin - it is infinitely preferable. "
    Vj ~ Tell me idiot why do you need to sign up, when you are already there by not knowing anything of it?
    "It is not what I push that is in question here, but the wisdom to contradict it. So far there has been none that dared. "
    "I would hope that a "One true religion" would have an advocate who was not arrogant, racist, and illogical. "
    Vj ~ Well if that is the way you think of one who is desirable of saving lost souls, there is little I can do about that.

    [iii] - (#38747 of 38780)

    "And your web site is substandard. "
    Vj ~ After all it shouldn't be a problem since man has made much 'progress' with far less (grunts and gesture) than that!

    The power of good reasoning is essential to know the one true efficient cause of the Universe.

    Dialogue 13
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    Rebuttal from: (#39370 of 39385)
    5555 "The theory of natural selection is indicative of the best in nature as yet to come. It is progression upwards whereas natural laws dictates progression to be always downwards. "
    "VJ, do you plan on arguing about the theory of evolution anytime soon? Or do you intend to keep posting bizarre statements based on your own personal natural "laws"? "
    Vj ~ If one time after birth you excrete by your mouth and then steadily by the backside, then the laws are my own personal idea, but if you think it could never have happened that way, then know the law is universal.
    ". First, natural selection is not "progression upwards. Anyone who tells you that or believes so is utterly and completely wrong"
    Vj ~ Then how do you explain nature's selection of a human evolving from the state of a stupor creature, developing into savages (cavemen), medievial barbarians and now we are deemed civilized (technologically). Isn't this progression upwards the result of natural selection or are you really that stupid?
    "Perhaps if you could define what you mean by "progression" and "downwards" it would be easier to understand what you are talking about."
    Vj ~ I doubt whether you will ever understand it. "Meaning, civilized men did not progress from savages but that only from the fall of civility men become savages. "

    (#39389 of 39424)

    4444 "How can you defend evolution when you don't know the functions of the immutable laws of nature? "
    "Well. the laws of nature that most of the world abides are discovered by observation and experimentation, and evolution works very well in that frame work. "
    Vj ~ This is the point I am trying to drive home, "most of the world" don't have a clue of the immutable laws of nature's functions. If they did, they would not have been in such a hurry to put their trusts or beliefs in theories (scientific and theological) that breach these laws. These laws are indeed observable only when guided by the correct knowledge. When these laws are properly understood, one would know that no matter what "experimentations" are conducted, it cannot breach these laws because they are unchangeable. For example, the cause of the physical body is the reproductive element, it is a law unchangeable. Therefore, the experimentation to bring into being a human through evolution from a lower creature in the absence of the reproductive element is impossible and an obvious breach to the law.

    Dialogue 14
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    Rebuttal from: - (#38634 of 38635)
    Vj ~ Of course they belong in schools how else can the truth be ascertained? But the real travesty, or perhaps bigotry, lies in the curriculum that blatantly ignores true Eastern thoughts."
    "I'm both an evolutionary biologist by profession, and a practicing Buddhist. "
    Vj ~ Then you obviously have a huge problem since it is impossible for one of such high academic stature and an illiterate nomadic of some remote region to have the same concept of any practising faith.
    "Your website says all religions (including Buddhism), except yours, are wrong. So how is it you throw terms, like bigot, around so freely."
    Vj ~ Very simple, if biological evolution and Budhism is all you know before putting up a challenge to my response, then it fits you perfectly. Had it not been so you would have follow good reasoning at the very least to do some investigation of my faith.

    Dialogue 15
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    Rebuttal from:
    HollyHobby_ 5:52AM - March 26, 1999
    Vijai, I'm afraid you don't really understand what evolution is all about. You ask why, if evolution is true, aren't other animals evolving into people? This comment shows you think that evolution is about animals trying to evolve into higher life forms, of which we are the highest. Actually, this is totally false. Life forms adapt unconsciously to their environments, or else they are unable to adapt and become extinct. The concept of "higher" species is a mistake born in the Victorian era, when progress was the supreme ideal. Incidentally, bacteria have always been far more successful than we are; in fact your body contains more bacteria than it does human cells. It could be said that we exist only to provide an environment for them. So why don't people try to evolve into bacteria?

    My response:
    Vijai, I'm afraid you don't really understand what evolution is all about.

  • Vj-I can say the same for you.

    This comment shows you think that evolution is about animals trying to evolve into higher life forms, of which we are the highest.

  • Vj ~No, my comment is based on natural laws that speak of repeated occurrences. Rain always come from the cloud, and repeatedly from only that one source, a law. Similarly, the origin of man can only be from one source, his own reproductive element.

    Actually, this is totally false.

  • Vj-It is you who are false.

    Life forms adapt unconsciously to their environments, or else they are unable to adapt and become extinct.

  • Vj-These repeated occurrences have purposes and can never be unconscious or by chance.

    The concept of "higher" species is a mistake born in the Victorian era, when progress was the supreme ideal.

  • Vj~ Why would it matter when your concept could die in the future as those in the past?

    Incidentally, bacteria have always been far more successful than we are; in fact, your body contains more bacteria than it does human cells.

  • Vj-And which college did these bacteria graduated from to be more successful than us and who hired them?

    It could be said that we exist only to provide an environment for them.

  • Vj-May be that is your purpose of existence but certainly not mine.

    Rebuttal from:
    harryll - 8:47PM - April 03, 1999
    Hello Holly....Few "creationists" really understand much about evolution...Their "friends" make sure of that from the start by feeding them their own nonsense...All life is interrelated and each is dependant on the "lower" forms for it's own existence...The plain truth is that we can't even digest our own food, we need the help of microscopic life forms that, of necessity, live within us as they do in all animal life...It is upsetting to most of the creationist to learn that a Chimpanzee is genetically about 97% human...We were definitely not ZAPPED into being in a flash, we are an intricable part of all animal life on this planet...Neither us, nor any other animal creatures need to justify their existence or albeit their need to exist...We are all small miracles in ourselves and should be judged only in that light...

    My Response:
    Hello harryll,
    Few "creationists" really understand much about evolution...

  • Vj ~ How come you don't?

    Their "friends" make sure of that from the start by feeding them their own nonsense

  • Vj ~ And I suppose you didn't get yours from the start since you had no friends?

    All life is interrelated and each is dependant on the "lower" forms for it's own existence

  • Vj ~ We are also dependant on vegetation, does it mean we evolved from them also?

    The plain truth is that we can't even digest our own food, we need the help of microscopic life forms that, of necessity, live within us as they do in all animal life...

  • Vj ~ The plain truth is if you can stop eating animals you'll be surprised how well you can digest.

    It is upsetting to most of the creationist to learn that a Chimpanzee is genetically about 97% human..

  • Vj ~ Why would it upset me if you think and act like a chimp? More like joy.

    We were definitely not ZAPPED into being in a flash, we are an intricable part of all animal life on this planet...

  • Vj ~ If it is so intricate what would happen when you would have eaten out all the animals?

    Neither us, nor any other animal creatures need to justify their existence or albeit their need to exist.

  • Vj ~ So what is the necessity of being humans at all if our existence need not be justified?

    We are all small miracles in ourselves and should be judged only in that light....

  • Vj ~ Why bother being "judged only in that light" at all? Judgment in my view results in a verdict that dispenses punishment or reward.

    So why don't people try to evolve into bacteria?

  • Vj-I know they (souls) reincarnate into bacteria, if that is the same as evolve?

    Dialogue 16
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    Rebuttal from: - (#38471 of 38616) - (#38641 of 38674)
    "The knowledge given by another cannot be called instinctive. What is instinctive is natural, it can neither increase nor decrease nor can it help anyone to make any progress since the savages also possess this instinctive knowledge and yet they have not made any progress. The acquired knowledge alone is the cause of progress. All of us during our childhood did not possess accurate knowledge of right and wrong, virtue and vice, but after having studied under our learned teachers, we were enabled to distinguish between right and wrong, virtue and vice. Hence it is wrong to hold that instinctive knowledge is all-sufficient."

    So smart-ass evolutionists who taught the first human? And don't try to surprise me that a completely illiterate ape-man invented something as complex as language,"

    Vj ~ By the way I was looking for my post #38467, I wonder what civilized ape would chew it up? Those who thirst for free speech follow me!
    "Is it such a big stretch to think that each generation might add grunts and gestures to the ones used by their parents? "
    Vj ~ It is an unrealistic "stretch" that "grunts and gestures" (instinctive knowledge) can lead to any kind of civility (progress), much less something as complex as language. Simple common sense can tell anyone that if all I grew up to hear was "grunts and gestures", that is all I will pass on to my next of kin. Why don't you fellas grow up, I mean intellectually? Is it such a difficult thing to do especially when I am actually showing you the way?
    "It�s an excellent introduction to evolution (and make literary purists like me scratch their heads.) "
    Vj ~ After millions of years even the apes still do that (scratch their heads) a lot, do you think for a moment that they have also become "literary purists"?
    "then the next question would obviously be, who was the idiot that ended the brilliant era of self-teaching by inventing schools?"
    "I taught myself to type. No one showed me."
    Vj ~ Come on lame-brain, show the world how stupid you are - did you do it before you knew the alphabet or after?
    Dialogue 17
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    Rebuttal from: (#38205 of 38934)
    "Evolution is science, based on observable data and repeatable experiments. It is a logical theory based on FACTS. "
    Vj ~Natural laws are observable also and it specifically deals with repeatable (steady) occurrences that are unchangeable in any given age or time. So your 'logical theory based on FACTS' of a human evolving from a lower creature, A ONE TIME OCCURRENCE, is a breach to that law and does not lend credibility to your boasted science.

    (#38213 of 38939)

    "Why isn't the flood possible??"
    Vj ~ When the ignorant authors of the Torrah, Bible and Quran were obsessed with a flat earth theory, how could they have written anything sensible?

    (#38937 of 38956)

    555 "Matter did not originate from "nothing." Matter is what energy looks like when it posses a sufficient amount of inertia."
    Vj ~ Now you have got an even bigger problem, where did "energy" originated from?

    The power of good reasoning is essential to know the one true efficient cause of the Universe.

    (#38936 of 38956)

    (#38930 of 38932) "The same might be asked of who created matter the source of biological evolution? "
    "At some point, life on earth had a beginning. Although we don't know how exactly, we are learning more about it every day."
    Vj ~ And what about, if it turns out that it was necessary to know how exactly life on earth all began? What then is the faith of those who have already gone without it?

    (#38965 of 38984)

    "And what about, if it turns out that it was necessary to know how exactly life on earth all began? What then is the faith of those who have already gone without it?"
    "I don't see any testable hypotheses in your link, life on earth . "
    Vj ~ To your knowledge, is your response a logical answer to my question? It seems that if truth had to be tested your way, it would have meant that the laboratory had to be in place before the scientist. This points to the injustice that so many have been deprived of it. If man is deprived of truth, it must be of his own fault, and not that it weren't there for them.
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    Rebuttal from: - Singhvj - Monday, 04/30/01, 7:48:17am
    of 39355) "Everyone there accepts quite naturally that Creationism has no place being taught in school as a science." Vj ~ And they are perhaps right when "Creationism" is based on an irrational treatise (the Bible). However, it would be difficult for Evolutionists to displace Creationism based on a treatise that is not only in harmony with science but conforms with natural laws.

    (#39357 of 39361) .

    "Evolution is supported by all of the major disciplines of science and by all fields of biology. "
    Vj ~ That might suffice for the ignorant where it is an accepted fact because bigotry is an impediment to the impartial investigation of the revealed source of all sciences. As long as Vedic stance on creationism remains unrefutable, it is futile to even boast of what your science have done or can do.I am assuming that the last sentence is good English, if you don't understand it, I will understand why you would want to ignore it.

    (#39358 of 39362)

    "The Religion board (9999 ) is elsewhere. You are still taking the rather obdurant possition that anything you say is irrefutable. "
    Vj ~ It seems you have just made me look like a genius since you are certainly not the one to do (refute my religion) so yet.
    "We have observed the formation of new species, we have compared genetic similarities is disparate species and we have mountains of fossil evidence of the history of species. Where are the holes? "
    Vj ~ The theory of natural selection is indicative of the best in nature as yet to come. It is progression upwards whereas natural laws dictates progression to be always downwards. Meaning, civilized men did not progress from savages but that only from the fall of civility men become savages. "Observation" without the correct knowledge is certainly no different from those who put their faith in false dogmas.
    "The root of this problem (leaving personalities out of this) is that no one saves you accepts that you have found any such holes. "
    Vj ~ By your own admission I am one (who knows) among many idiots, then what more proof do you need that progression is always downwards. Where the company of the wise were the majority, universal decadence of the intellect has virtually led us to the era where fools have now become the majority.

    The power of good reasoning is essential to know the one true efficient cause of the Universe.

    Dialogue 19
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    Rebuttal from: - (#39361 of 39362)
    " 8888 The Religion board is elsewhere. You are still taking the rather obdurant position that anything you say is irrefutable."
    "Actually, he was being ignored over there too."
    Vj ~ It is true, but it is what fools do best. Simply because truth is the common denominator to offending a fool, I can't see how any sensible being can be proud of ignoring it.

    (#39365 of 39368)

    7777 "... How can it be that difficult to reason that out of nothing, nothing can come; nothing can be made without a maker; and knowledge cannot be acquired without a teacher? ...? "
    "These are your irrefutable truths? "
    Vj ~ It seems you are one step ahead of your monkey ancestors - you can tell a book by just looking at the cover.
    "It has already been demonstrated that something/nothing are quite interchangable at microscopic levels, "
    Vj ~ Who demonstrated it - one as ignorant as you are? It seems you have no faith in your science either since science holds all answers in the future, it perhaps can invent an instrument that can go beyond the microscope. Isn't it better to take a wait and see attitude? That perhaps it is possible that all thing came out of something and that as an idiot you have no evidence to that effect yet, instead of drawing the conclusion that something can come out of nothing.
    "that chemistry organizes itself readily with no directing input and that creative learning is not only possible, but common."
    Vj ~ The question is - how common could it have been without schools? And most certainly if illiterates were creative there would have been no problem hiring them as teachers, lawyers, CEO's, etc
    "Consider your argument refuted."
    Vj ~ My you are indeed a 'genius,' you have refuted the whole of my philosophy without opening a book, what more can I say? I am so 'proud' of your monkey ancestors, what brains they must have had.

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    Rebuttal from: - (#39368 of 39380)
    7777""... The theory of natural selection is indicative of the best in nature as yet to come. It is progression upwards where as natural laws dictates progression to be always downwards. ..." "
    "Incorrect on both counts. How can you argue against evolution when you don't know what it claims? "
    Vj ~How can you defend evolution when you don't know the functions of the immutable laws of nature
    ""... By your own admission I am one (who knows) among many idiots, then what more proof do you need that progression is always downwards. ..." "
    "I never said you were an idiot, I said that no one save you is buying the babble you repeat here. "
    Vj ~ I never said you did! It is obvious if I am the one "who knows" I cannot be the idiot.
    "Brushing past the severe sentence structure issues here; "
    Vj ~ And that is in spite of being taught, just imagine how terrible it must have been for your monkey ancestors when they were trying to put it all together without a teacher?
    "There are many fine people who have simply been granted poor or misguiding education. "
    Vj ~ It shouldn't matter at all, after all your ancestors invented it without any guiding education, much less "poor" ones.

    (#39369 of 39380)

    6666 "It is true, but it is what fools do best. Simply because truth is the common denominator to offending a fool, I can't see how any sensible being can be proud of ignoring it"
    "Does Evolution offend you?"
    Vj ~ How could it when I fully understand that the Creator has a purpose also for idiots. Where else will he find relegated souls for the creation of animals, birds, insects and vegetation, etc.? (#39370 of 39385)
    5555 "The theory of natural selection is indicative of the best in nature as yet to come. It is progression upwards where as natural laws dictates progression to be always downwards. "
    "VJ, do you plan on arguing about the theory of evolution anytime soon? Or do you intend to keep posting bizarre statements based on your own personal natural "laws"? "
    Vj ~ If one time after birth you excrete by your mouth and then steadily by the backside, then the laws are my own personal idea, but if you think it could never have happened that way, then know the law is universal.
    ". First, natural selection is not "progression upwards. Anyone who tells you that or believes so is utterly an completely wrong"
    Vj ~ Then how do you explain nature's selection of a human evolving from the state of a stupor creature, developing into savages (cavemen), medevial barbarians and now we are deemed civilized (technologically). Isn't this progression upwards the result of natural selection or are you really that stupid?
    "Perhaps if you could define what you mean by "progression" and "downwards" it would be easier to understand what you are talking about."
    Vj ~ I doubt whether you will ever understand it. "Meaning, civilized men did not progress from savages but that only from the fall of civility men become savages. "

    Re: to Justin Defreitas - Intelligent design - june 2nd
    "If the human body was intelligently designed, why does it turn on itself, producing cancer?"
    Vj ~ The concord supersonic jets were carefully designed also, but one crashed and for the time they lasted it was a feat to behold with much of the praise going to science. It was neither the fault of the designers nor that of aircraft itself, but those who did the maintenance of runways, planes, etc. All such equipment come with a manual (instructions) to guide us in their proper use.

    Likewise, the human body was intelligently designed and should it turn on itself, it is neither the fault of the designer nor the human body but the failure to maintain it, given the proper instructions.

    One should first be diligent in one's effort to seek out the proper manual (instructions) before operating. Regards,

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