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Dialogue 1
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Reply to: Vijay Chauhan - ezboard messageboards - February 19, 2002
The very basic principles defined in this Website - IN SEARCH OF THE ONE TRUE RELIGION, do not confirm with the teachings of Swami Dayanand and the ‘Vedas’. Following texts are extracted from it for analysis afterwards.
Vj ~ If this "Website" does not confirm to the teachings of Swami Dayanand and the Vedas, it is no one else's fault but Vijay Chauhan, since he knew what confirmed but selfishly kept it to himself until now. Swami Dayanand also said a little of this knowledge (without practice) can be very dangerous and Vijay Chauhan is indeed a fine example of its danger, not so much to others but mostly to himself. I only wonder where we would have been, had Swami Dayanand acted in such manner seeking only book knowledge.
Analysis:
‘Universal righteousness’ or ‘Saarvabhaumic Dharma’ never decays. Because according ‘ManuSmriti’, the definition of ‘Veda’ is: “Vedo-akhilo Dharma Mulam” i.e. Veda is the root of Dharma or Universal righteousness
Vj ~ Veda is indeed the root cause of Dharma, but not Dharma until it's knowledge is harnessed. When a seed starts to root, it must be nourished by water, good soil, sunlight, etc. only then it becomes a tree that blossomed to bear fruits. Like the tree, the Veda also must be read, studied and put into practice (yoga) before it can bear the fruits of Dharma. Secondly, universal righteousness is only possible when the whole world is immersed in the wisdom of the Vedas which it was in the very beginning (Satyug). In this age of Kaliyug the majority are ignorant of this Dharma so only a very, very few (does not including Vijay Chauhan yet) are individually striving for it. I see no discrepency in my statement, only that the one who is rebutting it has an inflated ego ready to destroy himself. Can Vijay Chauhan explain for the benefit of the world what his practice of this Dharma consists of, besides reading and what positive results have come out of it for him?
Let a man never renounce Dharma (righteousness) either through lust or through fear, or through greed or even to save his life, since Dharma is imperishable, while pleasure or pain is perishable, the soul is immortal, while the body is mortal." MAHAABHARAAT. - Statement of beliefs, ‘Light of truth’
It means that Dharma defined in the Veda, never decays or perishes.
Vj ~ If it is possible for a man to renounce Dharma, does that not mean it decays since a man can perish without it? The Veda (knowledge) is eternal, but wisdom, which must be acquired , the first principle created is finite and all things finite must come to an end, it is a law. Dharma (righteousness) is the practice of true knowledge (Veda) and if there is no practice and only rejection, then Dharma has declined. As I have said in one of my many posts to you, you have discovered the knowledge but you are yet to put it to practice.
According to Vedas, God promises happiness for virtuous souls.
Vj ~ God does not make promises, it is the nature of wisdom which automatically grants the virtuous happiness while the opposite brings forth pain and misery.
Therefore in any Yuga, there can be decay or progress of Individual righteousness according to the acts of a soul.
Vj ~ I am glad you came along, I wouldn't have 'known' that people grew old and died in Satyug - a law.
“The orthodox believe that these Yugas influence the conduct of the human race for good or for evil, hence they have given these Yugas the names of Golden, Silver, Bronze and Iron respectively. The author does not share this view.”
This note is right, as nowhere Swami Dayanand shared these views; in fact he opposed such types of views. Hence the Web Site Creator’s statement that the worst is yet to come in the present age due to influence of Kaliyuga on the conduct of the people for evil, is completely false.
Vj ~ Note, it is not the author who himself said it, and being one of a very noble character, he would have refrained from sharing the "view". Knowing how backward man had become, it would have made his work of disseminating the Vedic religion even more difficult, since like you who know so much but cannot yet grasp the true functions of natural laws, what about them? It is not incumbent upon the Rishis to hand us salvation, they can only show us the way the rest is up to us by our own strenuous efforts in studies and practice.
Decadence of created Universe will only begin in that time period and not in this ‘Kaliyuga’.
Vj ~ It already began, like a taking delivery of new car, why would it have to wait. Kaliyuga is the last age of this cycle of creation if is not, then perhaps you can explain what is meant by "minor" and "grand" dissolution.
The Website author do not consider acquired knowledge as cause of progress. But Swami Dayanand regards acquired knowledge alone as the cause of progress.
Vj ~ If he didn't insist it was progress the ignorant would not have been moved to acquire the knowledge. But when you would have practiced this knowledge only then you would know that it is strictly for maintaining the purity needed for emancipation. When the Vedas was revealed it was revealed to the purest of souls, it shows that the souls were already pure (by the efforts of previous births).
Analysis:
The Website author do not consider acquired knowledge as cause of progress. But Swami Dayanand regards acquired knowledge alone as the cause of progress. Also he maintains that every child possesses goodness or virtue and becomes polluted with sin as he ages. But Swami Dayanand disagrees with him. According to Rishi Dayanand the child does not posses accurate knowledge of virtue and sin, but only after study he gets it. These are clear from the following text from the ‘Light of Truth’: -
Vj ~ I maintained that every child is sinless and pure, in whatever condition they are born, even in suffering, and that is the state of purity we must maintain by the practice of true knowledge. It is obvious a child cannot lust or intentionally commit crimes, et. while those who inspite of possession of accurate knowledge of virtue and sin can.What is clear is that you have not sit down to put this knowledge into practice for the benefit of yourself yet and that your motive is a selfish one, more like that of an inflated ego.
On the other hand, ignorance causes one’s decay or progress downwards.
Vj ~ So am I not right then about decay of righteousness, when we are in an age where the wise are very few?
Therefore, if a person has performed virtuous and right deeds during his whole lifetime or age, he should be regarded as virtuous and not as sinful, even in the old age. Again, yours ‘Natural Law of decay’ fails here.
Vj ~ How did it fail when he is as pure (in thoughts) as the child he was, once again?
People are concerned with the final or end results, not the intermediate decay or mixture. If the result is progress upward even after decay, it is regarded as good. If there were no progress upwards for humans, by the production of bread and iron, they would have stopped the production. What else you regard progress upwards - non-production of bread, leading to starvation of people?
Also, there is no effect of any Satyuga or Kaliyuga on this process?
Vj ~ Progress is when man can do with out "bread and iron". It is obvious that these things didn't play any significant part in the beginning which undoubtedly was the purest age of all human civilization. And if it is a necessity now, it only shows how impure we have become.
Again, the person and its actions caused the decay or creation, and not the time or ‘Yuga’.
Vj ~ So are you saying that if we leave a car unused, it will never decay, time will protect it, as long as it is protected from man and his actions? Then again if man and his actions cause decay, why then a set age for dissolution?
I hope that the Website author will also provide evidences from ‘Vedas’ and ‘Shaastras’ to support his views.
Vj ~ If "evidences" from the Vedas and Shaastras were enough, don't you wonder why a billion Hindus, who revered the Vedas, are still idol-worshippers? The few quotations the Rishis used are only to aid the discriminating intellect on its journey to self-realization. It is not meant to be used as proofs for the ignorant, who thoroughly lacks reasoning. The evidence lies in your desire to sacrifice 3 to 4 hours everyday to sit in contemplation (communion/yoga) to remove all doubts and achieve a state in harmony with the Rishis. Until you can do that everything I have written on my site, will be up for contradiction. I hope these few responses will be enough to urge you on to such a practice. May your efforts bear you fruits of true wisdom in this journey.
Namaste.
Dialogue 2
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Reply to Vijay Chauhan - Ezboard messageboards - February 22, 2002
Vj ~ Any idiot can make such a claim of an ability to distinguish truth from falsity. Your rebuttals are not a display of wisdom but only of what other people have written. Surely as 'wise' as you have claimed to be, it shouldn't be difficult to tell us what is your practice of this Dharma consists of? Or in simple language, please tell us the methods you apply in your practice which "one needs to harness the knowledge" in order to know the truth.
Why are you so eager about knowing my methods to harness the knowledge?
Vj ~ Well, it is quite obvious that if I must contradict others, I must have a better way, how else are others going to take me seriously? And since you yourself very appropriately said it here -
"Remember, the sayings of 'Inquirer' (Dayanand), "if all good man teach alike there will be one religion in no time." How can we fulfill the dream of great, great Dayanand of establishing one religion of 'Vedas', if we ourselves differ in our views?"
It is simple logic my friend, if our views differ, even though we read the same books of this one great teacher, it is because our methods of practice differ. It is perfectly clear why we need to clarify the methods of practice before we move on.
Vc ~ Well, I do not keep the people in darkness, like yours ‘Darkness’ of Kaliyuga.
The methods to harness the knowledge are very clearly written in the ‘Light of Truth’ by Swami Dayanand. But even after getting this ‘Light’, people search the ‘Darkness’. You are one of the examples.
Vj ~ You are definitely keeping them in darkness by keeping your methods of practice a secret because it is not by knowledge alone a man acquires dharma (wisdom) but by action. Surely, enough it is written in the Light of Truth, but I am curious to know why it works so 'well' for you and not for me.
People like you, who are prejudiced by falsity, never accept them. I have seen blinds that could not see the light. But there are people with vision; even then they could not recognize the ‘Light’. (You must have seen the views of Swami Dayanand, in Chapter 11, about Kaliyuga.)
Vj ~ Satyartha Prakasha means "the meaning of the Light of truth" - the meaning cannot be grasped by reading (perception) alone but by the correct practice (yoga) and if reading is all that you have done so far you are not in a position to contradict one who has done both.
Vj ~ Ah! you have now touched on the subject of practice and if mine is questionable, you, on the other hand, should have no difficulty in telling those I have 'misled' what your practice is consists of?
Vc ~ Again, very enthusiastic to know mine’s practice. Well, it is other than yours malpractice of ‘rejection’ of the
‘Truth about Kaliyuga and its misery’ given by ‘Acharya’.
Vj ~ I don't see how failing to display your method of practice proves mine false.
I regard this as yours futile attempt for the ‘decay’ of ‘Universal Righteousness’. But can you ever destroy the ‘Vedas’ or ‘true knowledge’?
Vj ~ What ("Vedas or true knowledge") is eternal cannot perish, a law. Here, it is only one's methods of practice which can determine who is truly destroying one self.
I think it will be better to tell the ‘Truth about Kaliyuga’ publicly, instead of showing it in yours corrupted website. I leave you with your ‘sufferings’ and ‘progression downward’.
Rightly, written in Mansmriti - "Not to sow the seed of knowledge in those ignorants, who never accept it. "
Vj ~ I have spoken the truth in accordance to my studies and practice, but I am at a lost to understand how one who is unwilling or has no pride in one's practice can outrightly do the rejection.
Let's make it short and to the point, if you are still bathing with warm water after your "studies and practice", you are not ready to challenge me on Vedic wisdom. Had you any intelligence worthy of humility, we would have been discussing one subject at time instead of the whole Vedas and shastraas. Your ego is running wild; anxious to show off the little you know which is very typical of Arya Samajists of today.
Vc ~ Surely, the same I could expect from the persons who are not ‘Arya Samajist’. They do not have enough courage to accept the challenge of public-debate.
Vj ~Swami Shankarcharya was a Vedantist who preached some 2200 years before Swami Dayanand, but in all the works I have studied of Swami Dayanand he had nothing but praise for Shankarcharya even though much opposed the Vedas. As humble as he (Dayanand) was, he knew that it was still a very worthy and noble effort. Likewise, if there is another Arya on this internet who has the will and courage as I do, I would have nothing but good things to say even if there are a few discrepancies. Neither Swami Shankarcharya nor Swami Dayanand ever challenge a fellow arya, but sought ways and means to elevate their souls by encouragement. Even Pt. Gurudutta Vidyarthi who was an devouted atheist and a very close friend of Swamiji was never challenged to a shastrarth (debate). Such is the nature of wisdom, wise men can tell by a man's disposition, in whatever category (scientific or spiritual), bad or good intentions whether they are deserving of being chastised or praised. Even though India was under foreign subjugation, Swamiji still had high praises for the British system of justice, freedom of speech, proper organization and their achievements through science even though they had total disdain for the true source.
Keep on hiding in your small website. When yours ‘Practices’ imbibe enough courage in you, come in India (Delhi) and speak openly about yours views regarding ‘Kaliyuga and its pre-destined misery’.
Acharya Ushrbudh or me will come forward again for its ‘Debunking’. We are always ‘wild’ or bold like Swami Dayanand to refute the falsity. You will have the option to choose one subject or all subjects at a time.
Vj ~ Had a soul of my inclination been fortunate to take birth in India, I probably would have been a Rishi by now, but the law of karma dictated otherwise for me. But it is indeed a great relief to know that even though, born in the Guyana and now surrounded by the fast and constantly growing materialist Western world (Canada) this twice-born soul, who never set foot in the land of the great Rishis of yore, is free of the egoism you now possess, that could have otherwise relegate the soul to immense pain and misery.
Vc ~ I am happy (even in Kaliyuga) that you have given a Vedic-mantra for evidence. Even more happiness the ‘aryas’ would have got, if you had given evidences of yours defined ‘Natural Laws’ from the ‘Vedas’.
Vj ~A man with an ego as yours cannot be happy man. Again the Vedas is only knowledge and when that knowledge is practice it is called wisdom or Dharma and if you still seek evidences after your studies, know that are yet to put into practice this knowledge.
I am impressed by the way you refute falsity in other religions and evolution theory. But its unfortunate that you use these 'Natural Laws' to oppose their views.
Vj ~ You now sound more like a hypocrite since these people know nothing of the Vedas, it is obvious that it is these laws that stood tall in debunking their theories and beliefs, so how could you be impressed with my criticism whilst contradicting them (the laws) at the same time.
Being a hopeful person, I still await for your proper action.
Vj ~ If you are, then do not hesitate to begin the practice necessary. I will be more than happy to help you along.
I could have accepted yours 'Natural laws', but how can I go against Swami Dayanand, after seeing his very clear views about 'Kaliyuga' in Chapter 11.
Vj ~ Perception alone is not the path to this wisdom, otherwise sightless Swami Virjanand could not have qualified to be the Guru of Maharishi Swami Dayanand Saraswati. The Rishis have spent a greater part of their time in comtemplation (yoga) before they could have had a clear view of the Vedas, so must we too, be prepared to spend a greater part of our time to grasp the clear views of the Rishis.
Hoping to meet you next time in India (Delhi), either as an opponent or a friend. Although we have many differences in opinions, at least there is one thing common in between us - we both believe in the Vedas.
Vj ~ If ever I visit India or make her permanent place of abode, it will be for the greater benefit of my own soul and not to seek out one with an ego as high as the Himalayas. Not to forget that, 1 billion Hindus have one thing in common with you also. Belief in the Vedas is of no benefit to the human soul, without reasoning and serious practice (yoga).
Namaste
Dialogue 5
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Reply to Sher - Thursday, January 16, 2003
GOD is everywhere, inside us, outside us, anywhere and everywhere AND even in an idol. so by your own argument, you prove that idol worship is NOT INCORRECT - that since GOD is everywhere, it is also present in an IDOL.
Vj ~ Then by your argument God is in a nude woman also, so is it ok to use "as a
medium of communication, a means of focus" of spirituality? It cannot be right for one condition and not for the others. It is either all or none.
Reply to Yashraj - Friday, January 17, 2003
LET US PLAY COOL AND NOT GET AGITATED. IF THE MATTER WAS SO SIMPLE TO UNDERSTAND, THEN MILLIONS OF INDIANS, HIGHLY EDUCATED,SCIENTISTS, INDUSTIALISTS, PROFESSORS, SCHOLARS, GREAT RELIGIOUS LEADERS LIKE SWAMI VIVEKANAND,RAMKRISHAN PARMHANS, WHO HAVE FOLLOWINGS OF MILLIONS OF PEOPLE NOT ONLY IN INDIA BUT IN ADVANCED
COUNTRIES LIKE EUROPE AND USA------WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN
RUSHING TO TEMPLES AND SITTING IN FRONT OF IDOLS. WHAT
IS REQUIRED IS KNOWLEDGE AND DESIRE TO ACQUIRE
KNOWLEDGE. OUR SANSKARS OF BILLIONS OF BIRTHS HAVE TO
PLAY A GREAT ROLE. SO BE PATIENT AND SMILE.
Vj ~ I will always be "COOL" since true knowledge is constantly with me and I
know where my soul is headed in the next birth, but I cannot understand how
you can be "COOL" also or tell others to be cool when you are void of this
knowledge and haven't shown the desire to acquire it.
It wouldn't matter what profession one holds or even those who proclaimed
themselves to be messiahs, if their thoughts are not constantly guided by
the correct knowledge, they will be as lost as you are. Did you not read
what I have written on my site. "...I cannot understand how those of very high academic learning can lend such unwavering support for these false dogmas as those of little or no
learning at all..."
My analogy might have sounded crude, but it is meant to bring the message
home.
"Let him say what is good for another, even though it may offend" Swami
Dayanannd.
Here are more of my discussions on the subject of idol worship
:Namaste,
Vijai
Dialogue 6
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Reply to Shatrunjay - Friday January 17, 2003
Shatrunjay ~ "Please do not use such examples to argue the case."
Vj ~ When a surgeon must surgically dissect the body, it is because of the seriousness of the sickness. So too, only the wise know the seriousness of the disease call igorance. Unless you are one of the two categories, only then you are qualified to put forward the examples that is best for the cure.Shatrunjay ~ "It will divert the discussion. Other person will agree and
accept that as another means of worshiping as you do not know what type of
person he/she is. So be careful."
Vj ~ I ask, what does a wise man has to lose, if a fool makes him/herself a
bigger fool?
Namaste,
Vj Reply to Sher - Wednesday January 22, 2003
Mr. Vijay, will you please stop this useless argument of who is fool and who is not
Vj ~ So you think if one is a fool, it is useless to say so. I do not understand, I want to save the soul of the fool, while you want it to endure
further pain and misery. and care to show the referenses in Vedas and elsewhere on this topic? This is for the benifit of the others, including me, on this e-mail group who are not interested in knowing who is the fool in this world.
Vj ~ Wise men don't show references to a fool unless the fool by his/her
own effort is willing to do his/her own investigation. If references alone
can make a Hindu abandon idolworship India would have long returned to her
once glorious past. Now if the vedas do not prescribe what you are saying, then what is the basis of your argument ?
Vj ~ So it seems you are no more interested in what the Vedas have to say of idol-worship. There is only one way to define idolworship, it is false and it is the means of creating fools like yourself. Reply to Yash - January 22, 2003
I request both of you, Mr. Vijay and Mr. Sher Singh to withdraw from showing each other who is the bigger fool. And more responsibility of doing so is on Mr. Vijay
Vj ~ As I said, if you don't know you are a fool, how else can you seek a remedy or cure? Hope I am able to convey myself.
Vj ~ You have, you may be a saint to the fool you have come in defense of,
but certainly a bigger fool in the eyes of a wise man.
Dialogue 7
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Reply to Sher - Wednesday, January 22, 2003
So now, one of the issues is finding the right guru. But who is to say that A is the right guru or B is the correct one.
Vj ~ It is an issue for the fool who is awaiting one to appear suddenly.Time and tide wait for no man. I have shown you the way Swami Dayanand started his search for the right guru as a youth and found him when he was a man. I too started my journey when I was only 15 and didn't find one until some twenty years later, so it will be for those
who are desirous of acquiring this wisdom.Reply to iamindra - January 22, 2003
"I reiterate that GOD has given us, not only the VEDAS but also BUDDHI.
Vj ~ What good is the "VEDAS" and "BUDDHI" if you lack the will to seek the right Guru? One must seek the right tutor, the correct knowledge and the proper practice inorder to become a surgeon in good standing. Similarly, one must seek the right Guru, the correct knowlege and practice to ascertain truth fro falsehood only then one can find it rewarding to pray, worship and glorify the One True Efficient Cause of the Universe. The Mantras of the Vedas are allegories and only in the realized state one can truly understand their meanings. So how can the ignorant really understand what the Vedas say even if they are quoted? "We must endeavour to use both in proceeding towards TRUTH and away from IGNORANCE and DARKNESS."
Vj ~ Easier said than done. How can you proceed towards truth, when from the start, it offends you? Namaste.
Dialogue 8
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Reply to Rajeevji - January 25, 2003
"Sher, you said that "The vedas neither explicitly nor implicitly prohibit worship of the supreme through the use of symbols or by the use of any means of communication, be it (through) an IDOL, symbol for AUM (OM), or
anything else for that matter."
Vj ~ It is difficult for those who lack reasoning to really understand what the Vedas say of false worship. Even though I have put forward this quote, fools will still deny its true interpretation to meet their own ignorant mentality.
The Yajur Veda says:-
ANDHANTAMAH PRAVISHINTI YESAMBHOOTIMUPAASATE
TATO BHOOYA EWA TE TAMO YA U SAM BHOOTYAAM RATAAH
"They are enveloped in darkness in other words are steep in ignorance and
sunk in the greatest depths of misery who worship the uncreated, eternal
matter - the material cause of the world - in place of the All-pervading
God, but those who worship visible things born of matter like the earth,
trees, human, animal and the like in place of God are enveloped in still
greater darkness." " Perhaps the Vedas never cited that because the conditions did not exist? They did not worship idols then, and perhaps never thought it was possible
for that to happen. How could they have predicted that as pure in spirit as
man is, that he would create murtis through which to worship God, and not
follow the teachings of Yoga?
Vj ~ The Vedas is for all ages because God is omniscient, meaning that He knows not only of the past and present but also what lies in the future. Even wise men of all ages, even in the age where idolworship did not exist, knew that all things finite must decay, an immutable law, and that the last
age will be nothing but unrighreousness (idolworship, or false dogmas,
etc.)."When the time of destruction is at hand the intellect becomes perverted." Vridha Chan. 16:17.
Even the technology that we have come to know existed in the beginning but
in the peak of righteousness there was no place for materialism such as we
now experienced. Hence the sciences even though available even in the very
beginning of creation have found usefulness in the latter ages, not for the
purpose of degrading the soul further as we presently use it for, but to
assist it in elevating us from our fallen state.
Dialogue 9
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Rajeevji's reply to Neeraj Kumar February 1, 2002
Namaste Neerajji, you might have heard this story before, the story is like this. A man took six men - five of them blind an the sixth possessed of dim sight - and showed them each a different part of the body of an elephant. And then asked them what they thought the animal was like. The first one answered 'like a pillar', the second 'like a fan', the third 'like a big pestle', the fourth 'like a broomstick', the fifth 'like somethingflat', and the sixth one said 'something dark like four pillars supporting the body of a buffalo'. Similar to these six men is the condition of those men who, instead of studying the books of rishis - the true seers of nature - read the current Sanskrit or vernacular book written by narrow-minded men of little understanding who malign each other and wrangle over triflings. Why should they not suffer who are the blind followers of the blind? The lives of half-educated, selfish, sensual and ease-loving men of to-day help to ruin and debase the world. Same is true of all religions existing in the world.They were started by different people(like blinds above) in different parts of the world.Each blind says that his religion is the truest one and so do their blind followers.Though the elephant (Dharma) they tried to explain was existing (and ever exists even before their explanation on elephant.
Dialogue 10
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Reply to Anand - February 02, 2003
Bhai Vijay, I really do not understand why you are so obsessed with
condemming DR. Satish. Is this a personal vendetta against him? I read some
postings earlier; emails that you posted on this site between yourself and
him.
Vj ~ Peruse my site and you will notice that even
Christians, Muslims, Sikhs, Hindus, and the list goes on and on, have all
accused me of having a personal vendetta against them and their religion.
Condemnation of what is false is not necessarily an obsession with the wise,
it is their nature to do good to the world, but if a fool sees it otherwise,
then surely there is absolutely no cure for him/her.Did you ask his permission to post those emails?
Vj ~ Do really think one who holds PH.D should fear what others, who perhaps have less, say about one? If it is so, then the knowledge based on it is completely useless, especially when permission is needed. An altruistic teacher has no fear of what others have to say about him and if
anyone who is bold enough to come forward as a propagator of Vedic Dharma
seeks an exemption, then he/she is a hypocrite. You are so proud of you site.
Vj ~ Make no doubt about it, any true Arya who is proud of the Light of Truth, will be proud of my site. If you are not, you can continue to call yourself an aryasamajee, because spineless is what they have all become.
I visited your forum and find some very nasty postings.
Vj ~ It is only those (fools) with "nasty" minds will see "nasty postings", on the other hand, a clean mind will quickly jump that hurdle to take the good out of it to elevate the soul. Only the wise can draw nectar out of poison. One cannot know the sweetness of sugar if one have never tasted salt, likewise, truth cannot be detemined without untruth (nasty postings). I think you should look inward for a while and think deeply why you are
doing this. You might find the answer.
Vj ~ If the answer is inward, why do you need the external - Swami Dayanand, the Vedas or Dr. Satish.
This doha helped me maybe it can help you.
Bura Jo Dekhan Main Chala, Bura Naa Milya Koye
Jo Munn Khoja Apnaa, To Mujhse Bura Naa Koye
Translation
I searched for the crooked, met not a single one
When I searched myself, "I" found the crooked one.
Vj ~ I really don't see where it benefitted you in anyway whatever. In the
first place, if you are crooked by your own admittance, how does that
qualify you to rebuke me and or contradict my mission?
What the doha really means, is that you must first seek the correct
knowledge, put it into practice and then you don't even have to go looking
for the crooked. Does it not make sense, that without the correct knowledge,
one can never know who is really crooked? "And then someone by the name of Vijai Singh (whose webside I looked up and I was shocked, but later...) came in and started lambasting Satish."
Vj ~ So you have become Lord defender of the lambasted. If my site has shocked you, then in reality it is doing its job, because that is what it is supposed to do to a fool. Since the truth hurts, who would it mostly likely to hurt, a wise man or an idiot?
Dialogue 11
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Reply to Rajeevji - February 04, 2003
Here is a question for all of us .
Q)Does God know the past, present and future of living beings ?.
Vj ~ Namasteji,
Even wise men know the past, present and future of living beings. If man is
in misery, does it not tell you that it is unrighteousness (of the past)
that is the cause? If a man shows rejection or he is striving for (true)
knowledge does not that tell you that of his present activity, (sinful or
virtuous) and what it will bring him in the future?
Namaste.
VjReply to Mukesh - February 05, 2003
COME ON, VIJAI, LET'S GET THE FACTS.
Vj ~ Check my site out if you can't see facts, then know you are an idiot also. When I say, I am enjoying the estacy of showering with cold water, it is also a fact.
I now remember why Vijai was attacking Dr. Satish.
1) He seems upset that Dr. Satish has a PhD
Vj ~ Actually I would have been upset, if I had a Ph.D, look what's happening to one who has it. 2) Dr. Satish did not acknowledge his TALIBAN remarks
Vj ~ Then what good is his Ph.D, when it takes an idiot to do it for him? 3) Someone (his brother?) was playing with snow (I couldn't understand this one) while Dr. Satish was doing some curious workshop.
Vj ~ Why not ask the one with the Ph.D to explain what you cannot understand? After all, that is what workshops are all about - teaching us the knowledge and showing us how to put it into practice.
Dialogue 12
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Reply to Mukesh -February 5, 2003
You know, I can be much nastier than you can ever hope to be, Mukesh from Trini.
Vj ~ You can't possibly be "much nastier" than those who schemed to murder Swami Dayanand? You call me an idiot, all those people whom you have cursed out on your web site are idiots. Are you an idiot too, Vijai?
Vj ~ Accept it and move on for a cure my friend, it is for the good of your own soul. I will always be an idiot to an idiot, for had you been wise you would have been able to make the distinction of who is wise and who really is a fool.
Tell me Muskeshji, are you a wise man? If the answer is no, what does that make you?
My salvation is not dependent upon a fool who is offended by the truth, so why would I want to refrain from making the diagnosis? Other than calling people idiots and similar names, tell us, what do you do Vijai?
Vj ~ I can tell you what I do but where do you want me to start. After only 4 hours of sleep this retiree day begins at 1 a.m.?
----- Original Message -----
From:
To:
Sent: Wednesday, February 05, 2003 5:06 PM
Subject: [aryasamaj] ALERT!!!
Dear Arya Samaj Group Users,
I have gone ahead and removed Vijay Singh from the group due to the
types of messages and attacks he was continuing to send.
To minimize such behavior I have made the membership of this group to
a closed membership. Anybody new wanting to join the group will need
to send an email, and I shall approve their request.
I am thankful for several members to bring this to my attention. As
stated before, such behavior will not be tolerated.
Regards
Bhuvnesh Khosla
Moderator,
Arya Samaj Discussion Group-Yahoo!
khoslab@yahoo.com Reply to Rajeevji - February 08, 2003
R: Its really shocking to see that VJ Ji has been bannedfrom this group.
Vj ~ Don't be shocked Rajeevji, it is a trend also that even Arya Samaj must decay to flourish in high numbers. The time will come also when swamiji will be worshipped as God. They will make idols of him and rewrite his books to make it compatible to static intellects and it will become just another sect of hinduism as it happened to Sankarcharya . R: People like VJ Singh are really hardto find now a days.
Vj ~ If it is hard now, what would be the outcome in the future? As I have said before, in the rest of the age of Kaliyug the advent of another Rishi is not forthcoming. So to spare yourself the agony of kaliyug, strive so that you can take birth again in a higher age. R: By banning him from the group we are banning the true follower of Vedic Dharma, his
contributions to the Vedic world can not be denied.
Vj ~ Denial by those outside the realm of Vedic knowledge is possible, but who would have thought, that the day would come when it could be done within? He was amongst the most active and experienced members of
this group.We were really lucky to have him in this
group and banning him is like inviting misfortune to
everyone.
Vj ~ Count your blessings Rajeevji that you are truly guided by the great message of Maharishi Swami Dayanand Sarawati and that even though you care so much for your fallen brothers and sisters, there is not much you can do to help them. Without such active members this group may soon die.It is therefore in our own interest that we request VJ to
join us back.
Vj ~ It will not be possible, since they will demand that I do the changing instead of them facing the heat of their own stupidity. God give us SADBUDHHI.
Vj ~ If we are not born with it, there isn't much God can do about it, for even He has no cure for a fool.
Namaste,
Reply to Bhuvnesh Khosla - February 8th
Dear Arya Samaj Group Users, I have gone ahead and removed Vijay Singh
from the group due to the types of messages and attacks he was continuing
to send.
Vj ~ Namaste Bhuvnesh Khosla, shouldn't you have gone ahead and propagate
the banning of the Light of Truth also, after all Swami Dayanand's "types of
messages" weren't simply "fools" and "idiots" to those who revile the Vedas,
but "buffoons, rogues and "scoundrels"? To minimize such behavior I have made the membership of this group to a
closed membership.
Vj ~ So Arya Samajees who are known to have openly boasted of holding the only truth of
past, present and future civilization have become "a closed membership"? It
is idiots who prefer to be in "closed" groups, this way they are all happy
being fools together rather than risk getting hurt by the truth. Anybody new wanting to join the group will need to send an email, and I
shall approve their request.
Vj ~ That's an execellent idea, there is always the need for one super fool, to protect the other fools, just like Christ, Muhammad, etc. as super fools granting salvation by repentence to any fool who accept or believe in what they preached. I am thankful for several members to bring this to my attention. As
stated before, such behavior will not be tolerated.
Vj ~ If those "several members" (who are asking) are more valuable to your
group than one (with the answers), then you are an idiot worst than they
are. Which part of Swami Dayananad's "SHASTRARTH" you do not understand? I
am not at all sorry for the action you have taken, because I do find it,
most of the time, so shameful to be a part of such spineless bunch of egoistic asses
who call themselves aryasamajees. My absence is your lost, and you bear the
burden of the sin also for those who could have been saved - that I am sorry
about.
Namaste
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Date: Sat Jul 12, 2003 9:40 am - Arya Samaj Group online
Subject: The nineth principle of Arya Samaj comes to mind.
Namaste,
Thank you Rajeevji for leading me here. Hopefully together we can
help those souls who truly thirst for the true knowledge of the Vedic
religion by encouraging them, not only to read, but to put into
practice the knowledge of Satyarth
a Prakash so
that they can understand its true meaning.
I say this, because I have come to know over my many years of study
and practice, how mentally destructive "book knowledge" alone can be.
"One should not be content with one's own welfare
alone but should look for one's own welfare in the welfare of
others."
Meaning that we must first strive to save our own soul before even
attempting to save that of others.
How can we even begin to save the cows or even humanity, if we have
not done what is required to save our own souls?
Swami Dayanand enjoyed satyug even in Kaliyug, we atleast can strive
for even a preview of it, so that even the act of slaughtering of a
cow can never impede on our blissful state.
Perfect reasoning, the
correct knowledge must be put into practice, it is the only
path in our
quest for individual harmony.
Namaste,
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Date: Thu Jul 17, 2003 12:07 pm
Subject: Re: arya
Namaste Vivekji,
who is better
a person who is doing paropkar and never thinks of moksha
or who is always thinking of moksha and never thinks of good work.
ans.
for getting moksha a person has to do niskam seva (selfless work)
christian missionary is also doing sewa work but its not niskam as
they do it for spreading christianity.so,a person who is doing niskam
sewa for moksha is better than who is doing good work.
dr. vivek arya
Vj ~ There is no doubt that one who is working relentlessly (acquiring the
correct knowledge and putting it to practice) towards moksha can do
nothing else but good. It is the nature of wisdom to expose what is
false so that souls can be enlightened and be free of pain and misery.
Namaste,
Vj
Subject: It is he or she who seeks the guru become wise. - July 20th, 2003
"iamindra2"
Namastay, Bhai Vijai! It is great to see you on this site, and I hope you will indulge us
with your vast knowledge.
Thank you for the info. I will definitely check it out.
Indra
Vj ~ Namaste Bahenji,
In our dharma it is those who seek the guru reap the full benefit of
Vedic wisdom.
Rather unfortunate for those who await the guru's coming.
Just take a look at my discussion forum,
even aryasamajees are afraid to "indulge" in this knowledge.
Namaste,
Anupam: Namestey, Perhaps coming to this group IS to seek the guru.
Date: Fri Jul 18, 2003 8:59 am
Vj ~ So are you the guru or are you in search of one?
Vj
Anupam: I believe everyone has something to learn and something to teach.
Vj ~ A guru teaches not only by words, by example (action) and not
everyone can teach by example. So until you have met such a teacher
(altrusitic) you haven't began to learn.
Rajendra Singh - Date: Thu Jul 17, 2003 -
Dear Deepti Ji; and Every one
Namaskar:
Regarding web-posting I have following suggestions for
consideration:
(1) Vedas are the source of DHARMA and not religion. DHARMA is
absolute truth. Religion is man made, whereas DHARMA is divine. Religion may
be, and may not be divine (depending on which religion and what is being
practiciced in the name of that religion ).
Vj ~ Namaste Rajendraji,
It is true the Vedas is the source of dharma, but in this dark age of
kaliyug it is or has become religion. When we have attained only
book knowledge, egoistically, we are no different from, those of
other religions.
After we have succeeded in putting this vast knowledge into practice,
through yoga, only then it becomes dharma.
The decay of dharma or the birth of false dogmas began, not so much
because of the lack of knowledge, but solely because of the lack of
practice.
The path to dharma is ingraining good reasoning habits to ascertain
truth from falsehood.
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D.UKHUL - Dated 12th July,2003.
.The synopsis on the jacket of the book entitled 'The myth of the
holy cow' by D.N.Jha reads as follows:
"The growth of religious fundamentalism in India is symbolized by
the existence of a BJP government committed to the Hindutva. There is
growing pressure to declare the cow a sacred, national animal and to ban
its slaughter. The Myth of the Holy Cow is an illuminating response to this crazed confessionalism. it challenges obscurantist views on the sanctity of the cow in Hindu tradition
and Culture. Dwijendra Narayan Jha, a leading Indian historian, argues
that beef eating played an important part in the cuisine of ancient India, long before the birth of Islam. It was very much a
feature of the approved Brahamanical and Buddhist diet. The evidence he
produces from a variety of religious and secular texts is compelling. His
opponents, including the current government of India and the fundamentalist groups backing it, have demanded that
the book should be ritually burned in public. It has already been banned by
the Hyderabad Civil Court and the author's life has been threatened".
Subject: Re: BOOK OF Mr. JHA - Date: Sat Jul 19, 2003
yash verma
wrote:
I agree that protest to such an ugly act of Jha be responded to in a co-ordinated fashion. Someone with
Sanskrit and Vedic authority and political stature out to form a response to the publisher and the general
press. Publisher should be coaxed to withdraw this book and apologise to Hindus allover the world for
their insensitivity. Failure to do so should be responded by refusal by all to buy past and future
publications. And of course Jha should be protested against publicaly in a way that he is forced to
apogise publicaly and begs for removal of that trash being circulated. All his sources of income should be
curtailed in a way that he must repent having misused his stature as a historian.
Who will lead the Arya Jans to fulfill this task?Vj ~ Namaste,
If at any time a man as Mr. Jha interrupts an Arya's way of life
(dharma), shouldn't we reflect on ourselves on what we have really
acquired in knowledge and practice?
It is good sometimes to have men like Mr. Jha, how else can we put
our blissful state of mind to a test?
One who is truly on the path of dharma will be totally unmoved by
comments as those of Mr. Jha.
It is the reason why I stress that we must free ourselves before we
can free others.
Namaste,
Vj
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Subject: Re: BOOK OF Mr. JHA - to all 'aryas'. - Date: Tue Jul 22, 2003
I am very very happy about this petition. I will access it and
make my comments as stated.
Namastay to all my Arya brothers and sisters.
Vj ~ Namaste Bahenji,
If we practice DHARMA, then DHARMA can do nothing else but PROTECT us.
It is sad that Arya Samajees have sunk so low that these shameless
parasites, who openly brag of the wisdom of the Vedas, can be
offended by free speech (Mr. JHA's book) which Swami Dayanand even
praised the British Parliament for.
Yes, it is those of false dogmas who are easily offended by what
people have to say about them and their religions, but when Arya
Samajees have also reached such a dispicable state, it is certainly
an organization in crisis, instead of one equipped to make the WORLD
NOBLE.
It seems they haven't been reading my posts or they have read them
but have failed miserably in their comprehension.
What's next fellow aryas, his (Mr. Jha) blood (fatwa)?
Namaste, In "aryasamajonline" wrote: Date: Tue Jul 22, 2003
Subject: Re: BOOK OF Mr. JHA - to all 'aryas'
Vj ji,
I'm not sure what problem you have if we want to exercise our right to free speech and file our protest against someone. Its our duty to make sure our voices are heard when someone is promoting wrong information. Its not a question of being easily offended, people who don't know whats in the Vedas will begin to believe such books. I personally know of several Hindus who eat
beef because correct information is not available to them.
Filling a protest doesn't mean we have reached a "despicable
state". Yes Aryasamaj is in crisis but thats mainly because we can't agree
on even small things like this particular issue. Such bickering turns away people who come to the Samaj for learning. Its unfortunate
that there are too many people with tendencies for destructive criticism. Reading (and comprehending) your post is one thing, agreeing with
it is another. Former doesn't guarantee the later. There are a lot of learned members in this group, please don't insult people in this
way.
Lets try to resist the temptation for criticism and argument just
for the sake of it. If you don't like the path we are taking, show us
an alternate path, lets hear your constructive ideas.
Om shanti, dhanyavad,
Anupam.
Vj ~ Namaste Anupamji,
I have been doing that along, where have you been?
When you are offended by what others have to say, speaks only of your
weaknesses. Most certainly you entitled to free speech, but does it
mean that Mr. Jha is not entitled to free speech also?
Our faith opposes all other faiths also, and there are those who
protest against it. Should we abandon the dissemination of the Vedic
religion because others are offended by it?
Let us first look after our own souls and automatically everything
else will fall into its right perspective.
Petitions or protests are not going to cure the world's ills. After
Mr. Jha, there can be many others, why would you want to waste your
life protesting and petitioning, when you can spend that time in
contemplation for higher knowledge?
Namaste,
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"iamindra2" - Date: Tue Jul 22, 2003
Subject: Re: BOOK OF Mr. JHA - to all 'aryas'
wrote: > Namastay.
Well said, Anupam. There are many people in the world who will
look for any reason/excuse to 'cut down' our ancient culture, and this
is something they will use as 'proof' to continue their propaganda.
Mr. Jha's book will be something they will refer to time and again
unless we can make a big impact to keep it out of circulation. So I don't agree with Bhai Vijai on this. I've read the petition; there is a site where it can be posted and
we can send individuals the site address there to sign. We can all do this. This way we can collect all signatures at one place. I know
I will send several people to wherever we have it posted to make sure they are counted.
Let's move with it!
Love to all my Arya brothers and sisters.
Vj ~ Namaste Bahenji,
How can one so ignorant as Mr. Jha begin to "cut down" the mighty
ancient religion of the Vedas, unless you think the Vedas are at the
same level of intelligence as the Bible Torah or Quran?
To me it will take a very wise man as Swami Dayanand to do it, but
instead they humbled him.
Where would have the Arya movement be, had Swami Dayanand spent his
life time protesting against British occupation as Gandhi did?
It seems our time can be better spent on propagating Vedic dharma
instead to the people so that negative books of Mr. Jha would have a positive effect on
you or them.
It was what Swamiji did, educate a few, which started the drive for
India's independence.
Namaste, iamindra2" wrote: - Date: Wed Jul 23, 2003
Subject: Re: BOOK OF Mr. JHA - to all 'aryas'
Bhai VJ,
Where would India and Indians be had Gandhi NOT done what he did?
I shudder to think.
Namastay ji!
Vj ~ Namaste Bahenji,
You seem to have missed the point completely. You have responded to
only three words "as Gandhi did", ignoring the rest of my post.
You should "shudder" anyway, because of Gandhi India's worst enemy
was once part of her, Pakistan. Gandhi was a traitor and only God
knows how many more wars India has to fight yet. Worst, the next
might be her last (the age of atomic weapons).
Namaste,
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Subject: Re: BOOK OF Mr. JHA - to all 'aryas' - .Date: Wed Jul 23, 2003
Deepti Ukhal wrote:
I fully subscribe to the views of Anupamji. Too much tolerance will be cowardice. What is intended now is
to raise our voice to stop this mis-information so that Vedas are not twisted to paint us as the
descendants of butchers who did not even spare cow but profess to be cow worshippers.
Vj ~ Namasteji,
It is controversy that makes a book sell, as the Satanic verses did,
so I don't see how your protest can do the opposite.
Namaste,
B.D.UKHUL - Date: Wed Jul 23, 2003
Subject: Re: BOOK OF Mr. JHA - to all 'aryas'.
"So let us
ponder over our own weaknesses and unite to project
the right spirit of the Vedas."
Vj ~ If we are united in weaknesses, how can we "project the right
spirit of the Vedas"?
Is that how Swami Dayanand founded the Arya Samaj movement after
reflecting upon his own weakness? "iamindra2" - Subject: Re: BOOK OF Mr. JHA - to all 'aryas'.
Date: Wed Jul 23, 2003
wrote:
"Gandhi elevated himself to Mahaa Aatmaa, and he practiced what Swami Dayanand taught about the Vedas."
Vj ~ Gandhi praticed and propagate "Non-violence" but Swami Dayanand encouraged the opposite in self-defence. Which Veda was Gandhi
reading? Gandhi was termed Mahatma by the majority (fools), what kind
of an elevation was that? "Honey gathers more ants than
lemons." Vj ~ Then if that is the case why not promote Islam, it is the
fastest growing religion in the world? After all "honey" (sex) sells. "I don't believe that all of us here are elevated to the point of
being able to take it." Vj ~ So I take it that you can! Well, if 'aryas' can't take what Mr.
Jha wrote, I wouldn't expect them to take my "harsh words". Didn't
Swamji, say "LET HIM SAY WHAT IS GOOD FOR ANOTHER, EVEN THOUGH IT MAY
OFFEND." Siromani wrote: - Date: Wed Jul 23, 2003 -
Subject: Re: BOOK OF Mr. JHA - to all 'aryas'
"mahrishi manu has clearly said to prtect the praja from
harmful elemets- shatru." Vj ~ Swami Dayanand also said we must protect, but how can we if
don't first elevate ourselves?
Arya Samajees are like blind bats, with a little book knowledge they
think they know it all. It is sad because with such an ego it is even
more difficult to cure than ignorance. Because of this ego, as communal groups aroung the world, they are
deadly divided, I don't see how they can unite in protest.
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"iamindra2" wrote:Date: Wed Jul 23, 2003
Subject: Re: BOOK OF Mr. JHA - to all 'aryas'.
"Namastay, Anupam. Oh no, I have nothing to add/change on it.
There is ample support for it from the Vedas and I cannot question
them because I don't know."Vj ~ Are you listening to yourself lately? If you cannot "question
them because you don't know", how do you know there is "ample support
for it from the Vedas"?
It is this kind of ignorance, you must try to free yourself from.
First, try to understand the meaning of the Light of Truth, before
attempting to speak of the Vedas, unless it is your desire to remain
a fool always. I said 'us' Bhai Vijai, so that must include me. No, I don't think
I am at your level. Not in the least. By the way, when I said 'honey' I was talking about good, kind
words - not sex. Where is your mind at, Bhaiya ji? :-) I don't think Swamiji meant that one should abuse others verbally. Vj ~ It is not the "mind" that is in question here my sister, it is the
intellect. The truths of our philosophy are indeed disseminated in
good and kind words, but yet they offend billions because their
beliefs oppose that of Vedas.Philosophically speaking, whatever is gratifying physically or
intellectually is honey. Intellectually it is honey (sweet and kind
words) for the wise and physically it (sex) is gratifying to the
ignorant. What else is responsible for the growth of Christianity and
Islam? On the other hand, we encourage abstinence so who would be
attracted to a religion as ours even though it is indeed a faith
of "sweet" and "kind" words. Why don't you read the Satyartha Prakash and tell me what fools
weren't abuse by such a book? My kindness (that of saving the human soul from pain and misery)
cannot be comprehended, unless you have made the effort to acquire
the wisdom to see it. "iamindra2" - Date: Wed Jul 23, 2003 -
wrote:
You know I had coined a response to this, but like I said, I am not at your level VJ ji, so I will not post it. I will not respond to anything you say from now on. You seem to have a knack for abusing people. You must enjoy it. Vj ~ Well I can understand, look at my site, Muslims, Christians, etc.,
they all would like to respond to me, but refrain from doing so,
perhaps you too are at their level. Should we call them aryas too,
because I can hardly tell the difference between you and them.
Perhaps the abuse is for you own good also, but to foolish to see it.
Your first post welcomed me as one with "vast knowledge", now you
sound like nothing more than a hypocrite as well as the others you
support. Wherever there were untruths Swami Dayanand attacked them
mercilessly, it is the nature of wisdom to do so in order to elevate
the human soul, the same it will be for me wherever I go.
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Arya samau on line - Date: Wed Jul 23, 2003
Subject: Re: BOOK OF Mr. JHA - to all 'aryas'. - Anupam
Namaste Anupamji,
Vj ji, With your language and tone, you are fast loosing everyones
respect.
Vj ~ Wise men have nothing to lose, they are above vanity and
insults. Do I look or sound like one on a "respect" hunt?
"Stop calling others "fool". Vj ~ Perhaps you should encourage them to do some reflection instead,
if they are offended by it. "Imagine these people are in your Aryasamaj or your home. Is this how
you treat people you meet?" Vj ~ What better treatment one can give than trying to elevate the
human soul; you are certainly not in a position to do so as you are
busy protesting. It is such "language and tone" that separates those
who put into practice (the wise) from those who have only acquired
book knowledge (aryasamajees), they don't even come to my home.
Remember the company of the wise are few, so I really don't expect a
crowd here. "Try to behave like a responsible adult. You are an adult, aren't
you?" Vj ~ Meaning that I should become a fool also, who can be offended by Mr. Jha, to gain your respect. "iamindra2" wrote: Date: Wed Jul 23, 2003
Subject: Re: Vijai Singh
Anupam, I was trying to be 'nice' by making him feel welcome here,
and hoping that he would have learned something from the past. Vj ~ My past for a long time, the present and moreso the future can
never change for a wise man. Frankly speaking, I do learn from you,
since a wise man can draw nectar (wisdom) from poison (a fool). I don't think he recognizes sarcasm when he hears it.
Vj ~ As I said, if "sarcasm" affects me, positively or negatively,
then all my effort to acquire this wisdom would have been a total
failure. I am sure you know what happened at the other site. No one else was
allowed to say anything about anything. A one-man show. Vj ~ The birth of Arya Samaj was also a one man (Swami Dayanand) show
or you that stupid to see it any other way? If no one was allowed to
say anything who was I responding to? Anything anyone said had to be 'approved' by him - none of which he agreed with, of course, but kept on hurling his abuses at EVERYONE and found fault with
ANYTHING they said. Vj ~ If Swami Dayanand didn't find fault how else could have
disseminated the truth of the Vedic religion? He knew it all, and does now too. Vj ~ Well you would know more than me, how else would you know that
I "knew it all"? He dares to compare himself to Swamiji! Vj ~ Do you know of any one closer to swamiji? I suggest you nip this in the bud - a rather large bud now, don't you think? Vj ~ Yep, certainly the mentality of a fool, swamiji's "bud" was
nipped too. Personally, I was very surprised to see him here but welcomed him anyway. Vj ~ If truth offends the weak, then a wise man will certainly be
surprise among fools. He has a full vocabulary of names to call other folks - like hypocrites, fools, idiots, etc. etc. I can guarantee you that he will not stop. In which case, I will leave this site. I am here to feel a 'oneness' with my people, and to learn. I do not learn, nor do I feelcomfort in this fashion. Vj ~ Oneness with the wisdom of the Vedas is an intelligent
aspiration, not with "people" who waste their time protesting.
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